B727DRVR

Then could you chime in? The people need to know..LOL.

frmrdashtrash

Yeah.

Fatigue rules. You find yourself too tired to fly, you call the ACP and tell him you're fatigued. You go to the hotel for 14 hours, minimum.

Scheduling. You start early on day 1, you get paid overtime up to a point (can't remember what the rule is, I've been furloughed longer than I flew the line at NJA). You get home after midnight on day last, you get paid for it.

Work Schedule. The company can't make arbitrary changes unless you're on a contractually agreed schedule that permits it.

Furlough language. Unless it's bargained away, I have unlimited recall rights. I also accrue longevity while furloughed. If the 2017 - 18 timeframe holds true, I'm going back at the top of the payscale. At the time of the furlough I retained pay and benefits for another two months.

ASAP reports and safety department. I don't think being non-union precludes you from having ASAP, it certainly helps. ASAP becomes part of the contract and keeps the company from using that data for disciplinary actions provided the offense is within the specified criteria. The Safety Committee is also in a position to work with the company safety dept to bring a line pilots' perspective to the table. Same with training.

Representation. I was generally a good little boy, but there are times when you can find yourself on the wrong end of someone's investigation and need someone to help make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot. I've been on both ends of this aspect, representing pilots and being represented. Some of the guys that need representation are a special kind of stupid. The majority have one little hiccup and the company wants to make an example out of them. I represented one guy who picked up a trip, then overslept causing a cancellation. He ended up DH'ing into the rest of his trip and finished it up. The next day he was being told to get his tail to the CP's office (day off) with his badge and manuals. No other issues in his employment, but he ****ed someone off that day and he was getting fired over it. With no representation, it probably would have been game over. Personally, I had an airplane misbehave and the Feds got involved. I had a Rep on conference call at the hearing to make sure it didn't get out of hand. In that case it wasn't likely to, but it was reassuring to know someone was there to intervene if the inspectors decided to cop an attitude.

Those are just a few reasons I find it beneficial.

UCLAbruins

The union has been a good thing for us (pilots)... Before the contract passed ( 2005), Netjets was no better than a commuter airline job.... The contract passed in 2006, then in 2007 we had another minor "upgrade" to a point where Netjets was a better job than some of the major airlines.

Our benefits, QOL and pay were also protected during 2008 & 2009 when things were really bad for everybody and we lost a bunch of money. I'm sure management wanted to claw some of that back.

I'm not a huge fan of unions for a couple of reasons, but I do realize they are neccesity.. investors are vicious (or vultures), they want more and more in return for their investments.

Nice to know someone's got your back

Macjet

Did I miss something?

kingairfun

Wait about 6 months.. It'll be 2018-2019...

Yes I think you may have missed the latest.... if you're furloughed I'd seriously consider being done with holding your breathe.

Macjet

No way dude. I'm getting recalled in October.

Are we still staying at the Double Tree?

kingairfun

Sure, but now you pay for the beers.... Wait you're saying I resigned my seniority number for nothing.. Crap, who do I call to get it back.. I want to be an FO in a Phenom for the majority of my career!!

UCLAbruins

People think when they get re-called or hired as newbies, they will automatically get the Phenom 300...

You probably won't get into a Global or Gulfstream, but I don't see why 3 years from now a G-200, Sovereign, CL300 or CL605 would be off limits to low seniority people..

Unfortunately recalls won't be on the menu for at least 3 years

frmrdashtrash

Over / under on how long the caddy sticks around after the new contract is signed?

kingairfun

Possibly, but in my case I'll stick with my 767 at one of the Legacies on APC.. Wait, am I gloating

Either way... being a 10-15 year SIC in any corprate size jet is insane... Especially at NJA 's SIC pay rates.... NJA was great for newhires ( 1st/2nd year pay wise) but at 10-15 years working the 18 day just to make $95K is not worth it IMO.

You're right ...recalls won't be on the menu for atleast 3 years (I think longer).. Making the senior SIC's 10+ year guys.... It's turning out to be a mediocre career move for the SIC's... QOL is still good on the road though.