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Old 08-11-2013, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR View Post
This is amazing and sad.
I don't think that I have ever heard of such a thing.
Is this common in others parts of the airline business?

What is the company's rational for this?
To see if the person has changed over the last few years of furlough?
It's true..... I read it on the internet..:



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Not sure about 121 time helping. I'm sure it's a bonus at least.
I know the conference call Friday said they were bringing 20 back and expecting a 75 percent take on recalls. Does anyone know how to see a furlough list so we know where we stand in recall order? I understand we have to re-apply and go through the interview process, but they are re-calling in seniority order for the interviews and I bet it will be well over a year or two before they get through the entire furlough list. It would be nice to see where we stand on the
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Old 08-11-2013, 06:44 PM
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From what I understand, those furloughed less than two years ago were given the chance to interview in seniority order. For those furloughed in 2008 and 2009, there is no "list". They are simply people who worked for the company once, and may be interviewed and selected for hire in any order without consideration of original hire date.

I also understand - but have not confirmed - that while the "less than two" recallees were given credit for time in service, the 2008 and 2009 pilots who come back will be at year 1.
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Originally Posted by Navajo31 View Post
From what I understand, those furloughed less than two years ago were given the chance to interview in seniority order. For those furloughed in 2008 and 2009, there is no "list". They are simply people who worked for the company once, and may be interviewed and selected for hire in any order without consideration of original hire date.

I also understand - but have not confirmed - that while the "less than two" recallees were given credit for time in service, the 2008 and 2009 pilots who come back will be at year 1.
WOW!

That truly blows... Don't they have some kind of "student government" pilot/management committee that could negotiate a less draconian furlough policy? I know that they gave the pilots a pay raise after Netjets got their contract to keep a union off the property, but there is more to a career than just pay. A written furlough policy would take about ten minutes to write and wouldn't cost the company one red cent. I'd be glad to write it for them as I have written a few.

And they could dump that interview again for your old job and save money. And coming back to year 1 is utter BS...

Furloughs can happen to us all; Why don't the senior pilots there step and rattle some cages. Oh, and the threat of a union campaign makes them play nice for a while....
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That's ridiculous to have to re- interview for a previously held position that you were furloughed from by no fault of the individual. If you quit on your own that's a different story. It should simply be a quick drug test, maybe an updated background check, recurrent and a welcome back, end of story. IMHO
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Old 08-12-2013, 06:03 AM
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That's ridiculous to have to re- interview for a previously held position that you were furloughed from by no fault of the individual. If you quit on your own that's a different story. It should simply be a quick drug test, maybe an updated background check, recurrent and a welcome back, end of story. IMHO
Doesn't FLOPS do this also? Or am I just mixing the two up?
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FLOPS pilots have a contract, with a written furlough and recall policy. As does Netjets, whose pre-NJASAP contract was written by the same guy who wrote the FLOPS contract and the UAL 2000 contract, Ret. UAL Capt. Rick Dubinsky.

I believe that only the Union fractionals have this policy, if I'm not mistaken.. That's unfortunate, too, because I also just heard that all unions are bad. I saw it on Fox News, so it must be true..LOL.

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While I do agree that the process is not cool, keep in mind that at the time of separation it was called a "layoff" or "we're gonna have to let you go." The only thing near the word "furlough" was a verbal "we typically will honor a 2 year recall window." It was treated more like a corporate-style layoff with a severance payment. At no time during employment was a furlough process mentioned.

Good luck to everyone there and hoping to be there. It was a good place to work.
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What is the company's rational for this?
To see if the person has changed over the last few years of furlough?[/QUOTE]

I believe the rational is so that the company can correct what it has seen as possible problem pilots from before the furlough. More that the company is looking at past attitude and work ethic.

If you didn't have problems in training and didn't have any issues with other employees you'll probably just fine with the interview.

But, if you were "that guy" who's name name kept coming up with other crew members , then you might not have such a good chance with the interview.

This is just my opinion based on experience with other companies.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dh-98 View Post
What is the company's rational for this?
To see if the person has changed over the last few years of furlough?
"I believe the rational is so that the company can correct what it has seen as possible problem pilots from before the furlough. More that the company is looking at past attitude and work ethic.

If you didn't have problems in training and didn't have any issues with other employees you'll probably just fine with the interview.

But, if you were "that guy" who's name name kept coming up with other crew members , then you might not have such a good chance with the interview.

This is just my opinion based on experience with other companies.[/QUOTE]"




That makes about as much sense as running a credit check on furloughed pilots prior to their recall...

HR person...: "I see here that, during your time of unemployment, your credit rating has dropped...... Can you explain to us why you let that happen?"

If they were good enough as a pilot and a person the day they were furloughed, they should be good enough to recall in seniority order without the cost and wasted time of another interview. If not, they should have been failed out or terminated by that time.

Companies like these, with Flex being a pretty good place to work, but with dumb policies like this will eventually wake up, or their pilots will. The pilot glut has made them "the only girl at the Embry-Riddle dance", and she ended up getting a real attitude, but that will change in the next few years (no offense to my many female "Riddle Chick" friends, I'll try to come up with a more feminine analogy next time...)
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Originally Posted by B727DRVR View Post
No,

FLOPS pilots have a contract, with a written furlough and recall policy. As does Netjets, whose pre-NJASAP contract was written by the same guy who wrote the FLOPS contract and the UAL 2000 contract, Ret. UAL Capt. Rick Dubinsky.

I believe that only the Union fractionals have this policy, if I'm not mistaken.. That's unfortunate, too, because I also just heard that all unions are bad. I saw it on Fox News, so it must be true..LOL.
Thanks for the clarification.
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