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Old 07-23-2016, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Diver Driver View Post
The interview is on par with a LCC or major airline interview.
Disagree.

NJA is all TMAAT discussion, get to know you, no technical on day 1. Day 2 is a very strait forward sim.

The process is more involved from what I have been told, at the majors and LCCs.
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Old 07-24-2016, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetlife View Post
Disagree.

NJA is all TMAAT discussion, get to know you, no technical on day 1. Day 2 is a very strait forward sim.

The process is more involved from what I have been told, at the majors and LCCs.

Depends on the Airline, neither Southwest nor JetBlue had any technical or Sim portion to their interview. Southwest does have a scenario based component but it is there to test your CRM abilities.
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:26 AM
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Lot of negativity sprinkled with a little bit of positivity. Pretty daunting for someone trying to find out what it's really like to work at NJ. With that being said. It's doesn't seem that bad guys. If quality of life is what our after, a predictable work schedule, and descent pay it sounds pretty good. Yeah you'll never make the cash and work a little harder than at a Legacy or LLC but if you don't want to move or worry about commuting. Bingo. I get that the 10 year upgrade (correct me if I'm wrong. Shorter? Longer?) is frustrating, but hey I knew 10 year regional FO not even making half what a 4 year NJ was making. So what if your 30 yrs old now and by 40 making 130k (-) soft pay, not bad.

I was a 7 year FO at a regional. It sucked. I now work for an 8/6 operator and and it's already a million times qol increase. Believe me y'all got it way better pay and qol-wise plus the backing of a union than I do at my operator and in my book they are still pretty top notch. Oh and I don't get 2 weeks vacation until yr 5! I'm in a spot where I'll be able to go onto a Major carrier but honestly the thought of having to move to an area where I don't really want to live or commute quite frankly disgust me. I love being home based and having a set schedule. I can tell you if I choose to make a career of this style of flying NJ is where im going to aim for. Although at the current millisecond in my brain there is a battle going on over $$$ at the majors and qol fractional. ��

Oh one quick question for NJ foke. Can you all swap days/schedules with other similar pilots schedules if you need time off? Also can you begin/end rotation wherever you like or must it be in your home base?
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Old 07-26-2016, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MOGuy View Post
Lot of negativity sprinkled with a little bit of positivity. Pretty daunting for someone trying to find out what it's really like to work at NJ. With that being said. It's doesn't seem that bad guys. If quality of life is what our after, a predictable work schedule, and descent pay it sounds pretty good. Yeah you'll never make the cash and work a little harder than at a Legacy or LLC but if you don't want to move or worry about commuting. Bingo. I get that the 10 year upgrade (correct me if I'm wrong. Shorter? Longer?) is frustrating, but hey I knew 10 year regional FO not even making half what a 4 year NJ was making. So what if your 30 yrs old now and by 40 making 130k (-) soft pay, not bad.

I was a 7 year FO at a regional. It sucked. I now work for an 8/6 operator and and it's already a million times qol increase. Believe me y'all got it way better pay and qol-wise plus the backing of a union than I do at my operator and in my book they are still pretty top notch. Oh and I don't get 2 weeks vacation until yr 5! I'm in a spot where I'll be able to go onto a Major carrier but honestly the thought of having to move to an area where I don't really want to live or commute quite frankly disgust me. I love being home based and having a set schedule. I can tell you if I choose to make a career of this style of flying NJ is where im going to aim for. Although at the current millisecond in my brain there is a battle going on over $$$ at the majors and qol fractional. ��

Oh one quick question for NJ foke. Can you all swap days/schedules with other similar pilots schedules if you need time off? Also can you begin/end rotation wherever you like or must it be in your home base?


I will agree that the ability to live where you want is huge with this job. I will also agree that the ability to have a fixed schedule that I know months in advanced is also a huge plus. However, I will also say that I am more exhausted after a tour at NetJets than anything else I have done. The constant flips from early to late and back combined with the constant time zone changes and multiple legs per day will wear you down quickly. Disclaimer: Some fleets are significantly better or worse than others.

Schedule swapping is allowed within certain parameters. You can also request a "tour slide". I have requested three slides this year and have been denied all three times. Others have had better results. You can request alternate travel to another destination at the end of your tour. You can then use up to 90% of the ticket value that they purchased for you to travel wherever you want. You always have to start your tour in your base.


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Old 07-26-2016, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by skydisaster View Post
I will agree that the ability to live where you want is huge with this job. I will also agree that the ability to have a fixed schedule that I know months in advanced is also a huge plus. However, I will also say that I am more exhausted after a tour at NetJets than anything else I have done. The constant flips from early to late and back combined with the constant time zone changes and multiple legs per day will wear you down quickly. Disclaimer: Some fleets are significantly better or worse than others.

Schedule swapping is allowed within certain parameters. You can also request a "tour slide". I have requested three slides this year and have been denied all three times. Others have had better results. You can request alternate travel to another destination at the end of your tour. You can then use up to 90% of the ticket value that they purchased for you to travel wherever you want. You always have to start your tour in your base.


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I get that. We operate the same way but with one more day on and one less day off. If our planes are not flying we are not generating revenue. And now with the introduction of jetsmarter its rare if we get an empty repo leg to ourselves.

Just reading over your profile on apc tho I see way more ways to make money @ NJ than my company, albeit the long @ss up grade time compared to ours. You guys have so much more soft pay to add to your salary than we do.

To me seem like if you want a career at a place where you have the schedule and home basing NJ is the place to go, compared to many of the other options for private flying.
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Old 07-26-2016, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MOGuy View Post
I get that. We operate the same way but with one more day on and one less day off. If our planes are not flying we are not generating revenue. And now with the introduction of jetsmarter its rare if we get an empty repo leg to ourselves.



Just reading over your profile on apc tho I see way more ways to make money @ NJ than my company, albeit the long @ss up grade time compared to ours. You guys have so much more soft pay to add to your salary than we do.



To me seem like if you want a career at a place where you have the schedule and home basing NJ is the place to go, compared to many of the other options for private flying.


Yes. I believe that if you want to stay in this portion of the industry, NJA is the place to be. As for as soft money goes, you can count on about 10%.


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Old 07-26-2016, 01:08 PM
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Yes. I believe that if you want to stay in this portion of the industry, NJA is the place to be. As for as soft money goes, you can count on about 10%.


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You cannot count on about 10% in perpetuity. Right now that number is pretty good, but in lean times, the soft money evaporates significantly.
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Marko View Post
You cannot count on about 10% in perpetuity. Right now that number is pretty good, but in lean times, the soft money evaporates significantly.
Maybe I don't quite understand soft pay. Is it not all the extra such as working over 12 hrs, working on holidays, and getting home late post midnight? We don't even get extra for working holidays or working past over 12 hrs.
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Maybe I don't quite understand soft pay. Is it not all the extra such as working over 12 hrs, working on holidays, and getting home late post midnight? We don't even get extra for working holidays or working past over 12 hrs.


Yes, but most of that is out of your control. The company is very good at scheduling 11 hour and 55 minute days. In 16 months I haven't come close to an after midnight, but that is because I live in a base that it is way too easy to get me home to. If you live in Podunk, America, you might have better luck with that. As a new hire, your seniority will allow you very little control over your bid to try to work holidays or not. I occasionally work a holiday, but otherwise almost all of my OT comes from starting early on day one.



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Old 07-26-2016, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by skydisaster View Post
Yes, but most of that is out of your control. The company is very good at scheduling 11 hour and 55 minute days. In 16 months I haven't come close to an after midnight, but that is because I live in a base that it is way too easy to get me home to. If you live in Podunk, America, you might have better luck with that. As a new hire, your seniority will allow you very little control over your bid to try to work holidays or not. I occasionally work a holiday, but otherwise almost all of my OT comes from starting early on day one.



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Interesting stuff. Are they pretty good about getting you home at a descent time on our last day or is that a moving target? So what is the extra pay for starting early on day one? And then I guess the over looming question. Does anyone realistically know what the upgrade time really actually is there? I've heard anywhere from 7-20 years. That a wide gerth there of opinions.

Thank you by the way for all the information.
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