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12-08-2016, 07:34 AM
#1331
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 162
Originally Posted by Sailaway
Nacho, you are a real piece of work. You talk about "cut the mustard" when you have been gone for quite a while. Didn't like it, couldn't hack it, whatever.
12-08-2016, 10:29 AM
#1332
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Posts: 147
Originally Posted by Nachomamma
Aww...what's wrong princess? Did I strike a nerve? Speaking of greedy A-holes (we have hundreds or your type here), nothing says 'selfish' like deliberately endangering lives because you just really like the money...knowing full well you can't do this job safely anymore and still sticking around for another decade or two hoping nobody discovers your little secret. You'd do well to shut up and learn your place.
12-08-2016, 11:15 AM
#1333
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 162
Originally Posted by dontcare4U
Any pilot that can hide the fact that they can't do their job for over a decade (even a few months) shows what kind of pilots he's flying with... a bunch of clueless idiots.
It has more to do with the system we have in place to terminate someone for lack of ability. It's a four-strikes-your-out policy. People can limp around that system for years. We had one old codger in the GV who'd fail 3 in a row every six months, and miraculously pass on the fourth try...did it for years. Very few people he flew with said anything...they just avoided flying with him (DNIF) without taking it up the chain - so in that respect, you're right.
12-10-2016, 10:23 AM
#1334
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 146
Originally Posted by RhinoDriverF4F
and I assume all of those 10.000 fatique calls are because the pilots are tired, right?
Just askin.....
Just askin.....
Fatigue calls are encouraged from some chief pilots. My CP feels our fatigue calls are too low. Better to be safe then risk people's lifes. I know it's hard to understand a company culture looking in from the outside. Myself and EVERY SINGLE NJA pilot I've ever met are more then happy to cover for someone calling in fatigued. I've personally gone a year without the need to wave the white flag. I've also gotten very close to calling in fatigued twice in one week. One crash is too many.
99% of guys don't like calling in fatigued. A large number of the fatigue calls happen because the pilot's partner told them they need to call fatigued. Yes, there is always abuse in any system. No company is immune to it. I'd guess fatigue call abuse is extremely low. On the other hand, sick call abuse is a completely different animal. Most guys view sick days as personal days.
12-10-2016, 10:54 AM
#1335
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 146
Originally Posted by Das Auto
Quick question regarding overtime. If you were scheduled to arrive home on your go home day at say 9pm but the airline flight was delayed and you landed at 1 minute past midnight, would they pay you overtime?
Adding to the info already posted. After midnights happen after 14 hrs if you requested to stop traveling (highly recommend). Or if you get to your base at 12:01 am. Or if you keep traveling past 14 hrs and arrive at your base after 12:01 (BIG MONEY). OT starts after 12 hrs. I've had a 20 hr travel day and arrived in my base at 2 am. That equals 8 hrs of overtime and 3 days pay.
First year FO extended day rate is $515 and hourly OT is $45. An after midnight is worth $1,030. Add in hourly OT equals big day.
10 year FO $801 extended day, $66/hr, after midnight $1,602
First year Capt extended day rate is $865. Hourly OT $72. After midnight $1,730
10 years capt $1,179, OT $98, after midnight $2,358
12-10-2016, 07:43 PM
#1337
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 270
Originally Posted by Nachomamma
The problem with feel-good speeches like that is that they conveniently ignore the reality of cognitive decline. Mental acuity declines with age - that's a medical certainty, no matter how much people like to pretend that it isn't.
Furthermore, as we all know about aviation, nothing is more valuable to a pilot than his ego. Therefore, you'll hear all kinds of "I'm in great shape, feel young, yay for my super attitude!" crap as nothing more than a smokescreen of desperation to avoid being exposed and kicked the curb. The truth is that it really is a safety issue and eventually, a couple of easily confused gummers will put one into the side of mountain because they just loved money too much and everyone around them was just too polite/afraid to say anything.
I get it...no one wants to be told they can't do this anymore - it's painful to hear. The money is decent and we hardly work at all anyway (cc52 particularly). Who'd want to give that up? This is called a conflict of interest. Under the current system, a safety decision is being left up to the one person who stands to make money from making an unsafe decision. Eventually someone will get hurt.
It appears now that a mandatory retirement age is now on the horizon, and whether it hurts your feelings or not, it's sorely needed. Deal with it.
Furthermore, as we all know about aviation, nothing is more valuable to a pilot than his ego. Therefore, you'll hear all kinds of "I'm in great shape, feel young, yay for my super attitude!" crap as nothing more than a smokescreen of desperation to avoid being exposed and kicked the curb. The truth is that it really is a safety issue and eventually, a couple of easily confused gummers will put one into the side of mountain because they just loved money too much and everyone around them was just too polite/afraid to say anything.
I get it...no one wants to be told they can't do this anymore - it's painful to hear. The money is decent and we hardly work at all anyway (cc52 particularly). Who'd want to give that up? This is called a conflict of interest. Under the current system, a safety decision is being left up to the one person who stands to make money from making an unsafe decision. Eventually someone will get hurt.
It appears now that a mandatory retirement age is now on the horizon, and whether it hurts your feelings or not, it's sorely needed. Deal with it.
12-11-2016, 10:15 AM
#1338
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 684
Originally Posted by Marko
After midnight is paid for arrival after midnight. It's that simple.
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12-11-2016, 12:01 PM
#1340
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Posts: 824
Originally Posted by NJA04
99% of guys don't like calling in fatigued. A large number of the fatigue calls happen because the pilot's partner told them they need to call fatigued. Yes, there is always abuse in any system. No company is immune to it. I'd guess fatigue call abuse is extremely low.
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