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Old 04-11-2015, 04:20 PM
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The XL is idiosyncratic , and that is putting it mildly, boots on the tail, hot wings, movable stab, blazing .75 Mmo, but it does have a semi stand up cabin, and an APU, there are still nice moments on these tours the one leg days with the 1pm shows ( occasionally), balanced with the 5 leg days and 0430 am shows, Aspen, Akron, and everywhere in between, plus the islands, Mexico, and Canada, questions?
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Old 04-11-2015, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Fetzervalve View Post
Good point about Flightaware. Also helpful would be perceived pros/cons of the Sovereign, Hawker and X by pilots who have flown them. Obviously each aircraft has its idiosyncrasies and it would be helpful to newhires to hear opinions early.

I am guessing Macjet was not a fan of the Excel.
Just to clear something up, you do not get a choice, you get assigned and that's it. If you don't like your assignment then you may just want to keep applying elsewhere, it'll be a while. I've been on three fleets (one is gone), I prefer the X over the XL, I found it more comfortable, I prefer longer legs, less podunk overnights. It is so much a personal preference thing, everyone you talk to will give you a different answer. I am currently in the XL with no seat lock and have a standing bid in on anything bigger as an FO (anything as a CA). You are more just coming to the company, the fleet is not why you come to NetJets. Unless you have some free time and want to get a type. If you accept a class thinking you are going to be sexy flying the X, you are making a really bad decision. I'll pick two random tours in each fleet, I can not include all of the changes that were proposed each day, or why tail swaps happened:

X
Day one: 11:17a show, Airline WN PBI-TPA, taxi to PIE, fly pax PIE-BED 2.3, off at 9:38p, Doubletree
Day two: 9:48a show, ferry BED-BNA 2.4, pax KBNA-TXKF 2.3, ferry TXKF-KPBI 2.6, off at 8:56p, Marriott
Day three: 8:00a show, pax PBI-CMA 5.0, off at 4:42p, Hampton Inn
Day four: 7:15a show, limo CMA-VNY, Pax VNY-SBP-VNY 1.2, ferry VNY-LAX 0.3, off at 6:11p, Hilton
Day five: 4:00p show, airline VX LAX-SFO, rental car SFO-APC , pax APC-SLC 1.4, off at 1:43a, Hilton
Day six: 3:30p show, airport standby, off at 10:00pm, Hilton
Day seven: 8:12a show, airline DL SLC-ATL-PBI, off at 8:27p

XL
Day one: 7:00a show, limo PBI-FLL, airline US FLL-PHL, Uber PHL-PNE, off 6:30pm, Crown Plaza
Day two: 6:15a show, pax PNE-FRG-CON-FRG-PNE 3.2, off 4:53p, Crown Plaza
Day three: 8:30a show, pax PNE-PBI 3.6, ferry PBI-07FA 0.5, off 4:40p, ORC Hotel
Day four: 9:00a show, pax 07FA-PBI 0.6, ferry PBI-OCF 0.8, pax OCF-SAV 0.9, ferry SAV-GSO 0.9, limo GSO-MEB, off 8:30p Hampton Inn
Day five: 11:00a show, pax MEB-PBI 1.7, pax PBI-OCF 0.8, ferry OCF-SUA 0.7, pax SUA-BED 2.8, off 10:35p, Hilton Garden Inn
Day six: 5:00p show, taxi BED-BOS, ferry BOS-BED 0.5, off 8:46p, Embassy Suites
Day seven: 10:30a show, pax BED-TEB 1.1, limo TEB-LGA, airline DL LGA-PBI, off 9:45p


Is that what you were looking for?
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Old 04-11-2015, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy37 View Post
Don't think MacJet is a fan of life. In his defense the Sovereign is the worst hand flying plane on earth. Great performance but that is it. The Hawker is a better machine. No experience with the X. Change is the name of the game. If you don't like it you won't like NJ.
I love life but came to hate my job at NetJets. I got so sick of week long tours loading bags, wiping down cabinets, stocking the galley with alcohol, water, food tools, salt, ice, beer, vinegar, wine, plates, catering etc and then having to stock nuts, cookies, etc in every arm rest and seat tray, and then having to screw with back stocking the cabinet. Not to mention having to deal with their pets, cars, or standing over my shoulder on the flight deck. I was a pilot 10% of the time and a baggage handler, house keeping, and waitress the rest of the time. NetJets is a decent job and the guys are under paid but I really grew very tired of the whole operation. I know others enjoy it and my opinion is my own and not a blanket feeling of the entire pilot group. But I couldn't see myself doing that job for another year much less another twenty. I left and haven't been happier. And the XL does actually fly worse than the 680.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:08 PM
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The XL is definitely not the cream of the crop.
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Old 04-12-2015, 06:34 AM
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MacJet. I was just messing with you. I too hate that stuff but it is the best I can do until something better comes along. Like I tell everyone flying is such a small part of the job at NJ. You are a flight attendant/lineboy who gets to fly sometimes, especially if you are paired up with the wrong guy.

NZNV's post is right on. Don't come here for the airplane because like I said in a previous post you don't get to pick anyway and whatever plane they assign you you will be in it for 39 months at least.
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Old 04-12-2015, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy37 View Post
MacJet. I was just messing with you. I too hate that stuff but it is the best I can do until something better comes along. Like I tell everyone flying is such a small part of the job at NJ. You are a flight attendant/lineboy who gets to fly sometimes, especially if you are paired up with the wrong guy.
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Old 04-12-2015, 01:13 PM
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Day 5. 5 legs total (two with people). Broke jet x 3. That is all.
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Old 04-12-2015, 02:03 PM
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The Sovereign is an SUV. It can carry a big load out of small fields, go transcon with a smaller load. It's not the fastest jet out there but can do .80 after you burn off some fuel. I once flew 4 big guys and a lot of luggage out of Ocean Reef to Pawakee (-2 spelling) in the early afternoon in August. Not many jets can do that. The avionics and automation are just average, nothing special, but ok. Never had any beefs about hand flying, but maybe I'm just an above average stick (LOL). The line was "If you have a house in Telluride and one in NJ and needed a plane to ferry mom and 3 kids (plus nanny and dogs and all their stuff) back and forth, the 680 was your plane."
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Old 04-12-2015, 02:37 PM
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Macjet, you are in the wrong line of work. Go somewhere else. I did almost 40 years of major legacy flying. Maybe you would fit there. You would probably still ***** (You are a pilot, right?). Some people actually enjoy the frac life. When I started my airline career, people thought flying was something special and we tried to make it special. Over the years, it deteriorated to a bus line in the air. When I came to NJ, I loved the fact that we could make it special again. I told people that "If it's not unsafe or illegal, we can probably make it happen." Of course they paid for it. It's not for everyone. Getting up in the morning not knowing where you would sleep that night would bother some people. It required flexibility that some of my friends could not understand. Worked for me. To each his own.

Disclaimer: I was furloughed in 2010. The conditions at NJ under RTS were different than now. I hope they can get back to that culture.

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Old 04-12-2015, 04:31 PM
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Sailaway...well said.

I would rather be a limo driver than a bus driver.
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