shaggieshapiro

Well, I'm sad to report that a U.S. Airways express flight from PHI-PVD skidding off the runway at PVD upon landing. There were no injuries, but I feel pretty bad for the pilots. There was heavy snow and ice on runway, but I feel the NTSB will rule "Pilot Error".

Oh, BTW, I work at PVD

http://www.wpri.com/Global/SearchRes...qu=plane+crash


here is some grainy footage from chopper 12 of when they moved the plane from the site
http://www.wpri.com/global/story.asp...layHelp=t rue

Ewfflyer

Not to be one to judge, but there is a better chance of Pilot error or related cause than anything else in this case, as it appears to me. But I'm not there, nor know exactly what the conditions were, so take it with a grain of salt.

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rickair7777

Looks like a ZW tail number, Air Whiskey?

By the looks of that wing, there's one less 50-seater in the system.

HIFLYR

I my opinion rwy braking action reports are the weak link in the system and the FAA knows it but they will not mandate standardization. Last Sat night trying to get into KMKE was a perfect example. Before block out in KMEM, KMKE ATIS reported rwy MU values of in the neighborhood of 38, 36, 33, 21 at 2040Z which is fair ranging to poor. During crz the ATIS was reporting at around 1600Z 38, 38, 35, 34, which is fair but notice the Z times? They had dropped the poor report in favor of a fair report that was older? Asked approach for RWY braking report and told reported good buy a biz jet, before they had plowed the rwy. The county plowed the RWY but did not take any MU readings and we were next but they had plowed it. Cleared for the apch and after G/S intercept they decided to close the airport for further snow clearing procedures, we went around and diverted to KMSP.

The FAA has strict guidelines for everything else but this!! It's time for the FAA to step up and demand that airport's publish standard and accurate rwy condition reports. Subjective braking action reports by a county vehicle, C172, lawnmower etc are not good enough when you are trying to stop a commercial jet in extremely adverse conditions.

HSLD

Interesting point, and I agree! After the SWA accident at MDW the FAA placed emphasis on landing distance calculations, which was appropriate, but missed the opportunity to revisit braking action.

Subjective reports, Tapely meters, and Mu values need to be replaced with one standard that can quickly be applied to available landing distances when determining runway suitability.

Ewfflyer

Yeah, the one video mentioned it was an Air Wisconsin flight.

Good points on the braking action reporting. As for my flying, they really don't mean much for the aircraft I fly, but definately on something larger and really needs some decent traction to get slowed down, those slick runways could be treachorous.

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shaggieshapiro

I had a chance to see the plane in the maintenance hangar and it is a mess. I also heard that the cockpit voice recording sheds some light into what happened. I'm not allowed to comment, until it gets released to the media.