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Old 08-21-2012, 06:10 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The good news for the the US and Canada that they have enough coal, natural gas, and arable land to be self-sustaining, it will just require isolationism and an army deployed along the southern border to keep out the starving masses.
Assuming the weather doesn't change and all the arable land migrates North like a
flock of birds. Have you noticed what's happened to the breadbasket states this summer?

How 'bout we get it right before we have to deploy armies to keep out starving
masses because the starving masses could be us.

It's going to take a strong government to rein in big corporations whose business
model mandates burning every last gram of oil, coal, and gas.

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Old 08-21-2012, 06:19 AM   #12 (permalink)
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It's going to take a strong government to rein in big corporations whose business
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There is no sense of urgency. Part of the problem is that it's very difficult to predict exactly when we'll run out. Anybody who tries to make such a prediction loses all credibility (for good reason... the last 40 years is littered with the ruined reputations of peak-oil predictors). Those who have an interest in the status quo can simply paint peak oil doomsayers with that same brush. If anyone actually calls the ball, we probably won't realize until it's too late. I personally can't even reach a conclusion, other than 15-100 years.

New technology is able to find and exploit oil resources which were not accessible or economical in the past (it does cost more though). There's always a new technology in the works, and rising prices make some previously known deposits economical.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:35 AM   #13 (permalink)
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It's going to take a strong government to rein in big corporations whose business
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We get it, you see more government as the answer to all problems.

Actually it is going to take a strong people to rein in a big government that has bankrupted the nation.

Corporations are the least of our worries, they produce something people actually want to buy and don't force humans to surrender their property every month.

History has shown that governments around the world are very adept at producing two products: debt and slavery.
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:37 AM   #14 (permalink)
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There is no sense of urgency.
Yes there is.

The urgency is that our habitat will be destroyed long before the last of the fossil
fuels are dug up and burned which is the current business model.

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Old 08-21-2012, 09:05 AM   #15 (permalink)
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The real urgency is to enslave as many people as possible before they wise up to the scam posing as climate change.

They object being to extract as much from the populace as possible for any reason at all or no reason at all. Even natural cycles serve as a prop in this con game.

No sale.
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Old 08-21-2012, 01:06 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Measured analysis of Fukushima:

The Panic Over Fukushima - WSJ.com

Denver has particularly high natural radioactivity. It comes primarily from radioactive radon gas, emitted from tiny concentrations of uranium found in local granite. If you live there, you get, on average, an extra dose of .3 rem of radiation per year (on top of the .62 rem that the average American absorbs annually from various sources). A rem is the unit of measure used to gauge radiation damage to human tissue.

The International Commission on Radiological Protection recommends evacuation of a locality whenever the excess radiation dose exceeds .1 rem per year. But that's one-third of what I call the "Denver dose." Applied strictly, the ICRP standard would seem to require the immediate evacuation of Denver.

It is worth noting that, despite its high radiation levels, Denver generally has a lower cancer rate than the rest of the United States. Some scientists interpret this as evidence that low levels of radiation induce cancer resistance; I think it is more likely that lifestyle differences account for the disparity.

Now consider the most famous victim of the March 2011 tsunami in Japan: the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. Two workers at the reactor were killed by the tsunami, which is believed to have been 50 feet high at the site.

But over the following weeks and months, the fear grew that the ultimate victims of this damaged nuke would number in the thousands or tens of thousands. The "hot spots" in Japan that frightened many people showed radiation at the level of .1 rem, a number quite small compared with the average excess dose that people happily live with in Denver.

What explains the disparity? Why this enormous difference in what is considered an acceptable level of exposure to radiation?
In hindsight, it is hard to resist the conclusion that the policies enacted in the wake of the disaster in Japan—particularly the long-term evacuation of large areas and the virtual termination of the Japanese nuclear power industry—were expressions of panic. I would go further and suggest that these well-intended measures did far more harm than good, not least in limiting the prospects of a source of energy that is safe, abundant and (as compared with its rivals) relatively benign for the environmental health of our planet.

If you are exposed to a dose of 100 rem or more, you will get sick right away from radiation illness. You know what that's like from people who have had radiation therapy: nausea, loss of hair, a general feeling of weakness. In the Fukushima accident, nobody got a dose this big; workers were restricted in their hours of exposure to try to make sure that none received a dose greater than 25 rem (although some exceeded this level). At a larger dose—250 to 350 rem—the symptoms become life-threatening. Essential enzymes are damaged, and your chance of dying (if untreated) is 50%.

Nevertheless, even a small number of rem can trigger an eventual cancer. A dose of 25 rem causes no radiation illness, but it gives you a 1% chance of getting cancer—in addition to the 20% chance you already have from "natural" causes. For larger doses, the danger is proportional to the dose, so a 50-rem dose gives you a 2% chance of getting cancer; 75 rem ups that to 3%. The cancer effects of these doses, from 25 to 75 rem, are well established by studies of the excess cancers caused by the atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. (A recent study of butterflies near Fukushima confirms the well-known fact that radiation leads to mutations in insects and other simple life-forms. Research on those exposed to the atomic bombs shows, however, no similar mutations in higher species such as humans.)
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long artilcle--read the rest here:

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Corporations are the least of our worries, they produce something people actually want to buy and don't force humans to surrender their property every month.
Corporations don't run mortgages and foreclose property?


I don't see the government as a solution to every problem, but I do see over the last 20+ years we were fooling ourselves that we were actually paying for what we were getting. No one wants to be the politician that tells people that we'll have to "cut back" on anything, in fact, I'd put money on 99% of the people voting to "push back" or "delay" any major cuts to services if there is some crackpipe plan that supposedly saves a trillion dollars over 10 years or something, which never happens because when it comes time to pay, the same thing happens again and we delay/defer the costs. Is anyone willing to really pay for things, or are they completely interested in themselves?

More stuff we can't pay for:
http://www.alaskapublic.org/2012/08/...g-earmark-ban/

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Old 08-21-2012, 11:03 PM   #20 (permalink)
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More stuff we can't pay for:
Congress Considering Reversing Earmark Ban | alaskapublic.org
So if two people enter into a contract you don't really expect the parties to live up to it if one side defaults?

I would say most of those actually doing the paying are getting much less than they paid for, but if you pay next to nothing you might be happy with very little.

Management by crisis is the term you are looking for.
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