Atlas Air Hiring
02-08-2016, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 744driver
Where is the like button on this thing?!!
Those looking to come here must understand this company is NOT interested in making your life easy...they are not interested in paying you industry standard wages, etc etc...
It is up to the pilot group to force them to come to the table, and negotiate with us in good faith...and that is the fight that will be in your lap if you come.
Be prepared for that...okay, so you are on probation as a newbie. Fine. But after that first year is over, 100% contract compliance is what's required by the pilot group and certainly the Union. Your future depends on it.
Whether you use Atlas as a stepping stone or are planning to make it a home, understand that while you are here, you will have to take on the company at every turn, on a daily basis, and unlike what you are used to at the Regional you come from, from the corporate world, from the military, etc etc...
It is time for the pilot group that is already here to expect nothing but 100% compliance from EVERY pilot.
The sky isn't falling. But what some of us are trying to convey is that the fight is on -- it's on because the company is choosing that avenue going forward. It is not a fight that we the pilots want but that is what they want. So prepare accordingly, and plan accordingly.
Good luck.
Those looking to come here must understand this company is NOT interested in making your life easy...they are not interested in paying you industry standard wages, etc etc...
It is up to the pilot group to force them to come to the table, and negotiate with us in good faith...and that is the fight that will be in your lap if you come.
Be prepared for that...okay, so you are on probation as a newbie. Fine. But after that first year is over, 100% contract compliance is what's required by the pilot group and certainly the Union. Your future depends on it.
Whether you use Atlas as a stepping stone or are planning to make it a home, understand that while you are here, you will have to take on the company at every turn, on a daily basis, and unlike what you are used to at the Regional you come from, from the corporate world, from the military, etc etc...
It is time for the pilot group that is already here to expect nothing but 100% compliance from EVERY pilot.
The sky isn't falling. But what some of us are trying to convey is that the fight is on -- it's on because the company is choosing that avenue going forward. It is not a fight that we the pilots want but that is what they want. So prepare accordingly, and plan accordingly.
Good luck.
02-08-2016, 11:45 PM
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For those that are tired: an outfit I know (can't call it an airline) is about to double the fleet and is looking for some 747-400 pilots. A sister company is looking for some classic crews too.
Schedule: 6 weeks on / 2 weeks of or 12 weeks on / 4 weeks off. First option they will pay half of the lowest fare they can find, you pay the difference if you want a better option (14 hr nonstop vs 30 hr 3 stops). Second option company pays full price of cheapest ticket available. Business class travel? What is that? Lowest cost economy with the most stops- and no ff miles. Hotels? From I-have-seen-a-lot-better to I-have-seen-a-little-worse. Duty and rest rules are merely guide lines. Upgrades don't exist. Pay? As f/o about 60k (which is way more than 4 year pay at a US 747 operator I worked for before), captains break 100k. Union is a word that does not exist, a contract is the piece of paper you sign that entails what you owe the company, and what the company might give in return.
If interested send me a pm, I'll forward your resume.
Schedule: 6 weeks on / 2 weeks of or 12 weeks on / 4 weeks off. First option they will pay half of the lowest fare they can find, you pay the difference if you want a better option (14 hr nonstop vs 30 hr 3 stops). Second option company pays full price of cheapest ticket available. Business class travel? What is that? Lowest cost economy with the most stops- and no ff miles. Hotels? From I-have-seen-a-lot-better to I-have-seen-a-little-worse. Duty and rest rules are merely guide lines. Upgrades don't exist. Pay? As f/o about 60k (which is way more than 4 year pay at a US 747 operator I worked for before), captains break 100k. Union is a word that does not exist, a contract is the piece of paper you sign that entails what you owe the company, and what the company might give in return.
If interested send me a pm, I'll forward your resume.
02-09-2016, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by captainv
Ah, I remember this attitude well from the regionals. That's how the race to the bottom gets justified, over and over again - because it pays slightly more then where you currently are.
I've been at Atlas more than 4 years. I was as senior as it gets on the 767 last year, before transitioning to the 747 in the summer. Didn't break $80k in 2015. Compare that to, oh, ABX or UPS or FedEx. Before you compare it to the lower-tier carriers, tell me how their scope of operations matches up to ours.
If Atlas is better than your current gig, come on over. But realize we are not paid nearly what we are worth for the work we do. And if you do come, roll up your sleeves and get to work and help us fight. And don't you ever b!tch to me about your paycheck.
I've been at Atlas more than 4 years. I was as senior as it gets on the 767 last year, before transitioning to the 747 in the summer. Didn't break $80k in 2015. Compare that to, oh, ABX or UPS or FedEx. Before you compare it to the lower-tier carriers, tell me how their scope of operations matches up to ours.
If Atlas is better than your current gig, come on over. But realize we are not paid nearly what we are worth for the work we do. And if you do come, roll up your sleeves and get to work and help us fight. And don't you ever b!tch to me about your paycheck.
02-09-2016, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 2xAGM114
Shack.
Stop reading. You have no idea where some of these guys have been and what their experiences are. And yet we return here day after day to see who's going to stir the pot next.
Someone is going to hire me to fly a big friggin' airplane, fly internationally and pay me enough money to live on??? I fail to see the problem here.
Stop reading. You have no idea where some of these guys have been and what their experiences are. And yet we return here day after day to see who's going to stir the pot next.
Someone is going to hire me to fly a big friggin' airplane, fly internationally and pay me enough money to live on??? I fail to see the problem here.
02-09-2016, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
Took the test sometime in October, Got a 90 something, Never heard anything else. Has anybody such a long wait for a phone call?
..Have you tried to make a polite inquiry via email?
02-09-2016, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87 View Post
Took the test sometime in October, Got a 90 something, Never heard anything else. Has anybody such a long wait for a phone call?
That dose seem like a reasonable amount of time..
..Have you tried to make a polite inquiry via email?
Took the test sometime in October, Got a 90 something, Never heard anything else. Has anybody such a long wait for a phone call?
That dose seem like a reasonable amount of time..
..Have you tried to make a polite inquiry via email?
02-09-2016, 09:16 AM
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That's one thing about atlas HR. I think they like the initiative of calling and emailing, as opposed to other airlines. If you're not getting noticed, send them an email. Make a phone call. It doesn't leave a bad taste in their mouth like a Delta or United.
02-09-2016, 09:26 AM
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What some of you fail to understand is that the environment has changed at Atlas in recent months.
This is not about some old bitter guys that want to hurt and damage the company...it is simply presenting what is a reality here.
And that is --
1. Atlas management is not willing to negotiate in good faith for our next CBA,
2. Atlas pilots' total compensation package pales in comparison to the majors (and while it may be better than where you are currently, it only means that you'll make your life a little better -- but make no mistake, you will not be rewarded the you'd be if you went to a major airline.)
3. The fight for the next CBA at Atlas is very real...they've tried to rip us apart by once again going through a merger, and their plan is to merge a crappy contract with a crappier contract.
Those are the facts.
This is not about how bad it is at the Regionals, or the freight-dog outfits in the rest of the world, etc etc -- at every stage in your career, one must expect and even demand respect from their employer, their industry, and their peers.
Atlas is not yet doing that...and that is the point here. If you come here (and I will welcome you all day long), know the facts and jump in to take on the fight (as I am sure all will do that).
It is indeed a great job, but not a destination job...it is not a career-making job. If you wanna help make it that, come on over.
Good luck.
744driver.
This is not about some old bitter guys that want to hurt and damage the company...it is simply presenting what is a reality here.
And that is --
1. Atlas management is not willing to negotiate in good faith for our next CBA,
2. Atlas pilots' total compensation package pales in comparison to the majors (and while it may be better than where you are currently, it only means that you'll make your life a little better -- but make no mistake, you will not be rewarded the you'd be if you went to a major airline.)
3. The fight for the next CBA at Atlas is very real...they've tried to rip us apart by once again going through a merger, and their plan is to merge a crappy contract with a crappier contract.
Those are the facts.
This is not about how bad it is at the Regionals, or the freight-dog outfits in the rest of the world, etc etc -- at every stage in your career, one must expect and even demand respect from their employer, their industry, and their peers.
Atlas is not yet doing that...and that is the point here. If you come here (and I will welcome you all day long), know the facts and jump in to take on the fight (as I am sure all will do that).
It is indeed a great job, but not a destination job...it is not a career-making job. If you wanna help make it that, come on over.
Good luck.
744driver.
02-09-2016, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 744driver
What some of you fail to understand is that the environment has changed at Atlas in recent months.
This is not about some old bitter guys that want to hurt and damage the company...it is simply presenting what is a reality here.
And that is --
1. Atlas management is not willing to negotiate in good faith for our next CBA,
2. Atlas pilots' total compensation package pales in comparison to the majors (and while it may be better than where you are currently, it only means that you'll make your life a little better -- but make no mistake, you will not be rewarded the you'd be if you went to a major airline.)
3. The fight for the next CBA at Atlas is very real...they've tried to rip us apart by once again going through a merger, and their plan is to merge a crappy contract with a crappier contract.
Those are the facts.
This is not about how bad it is at the Regionals, or the freight-dog outfits in the rest of the world, etc etc -- at every stage in your career, one must expect and even demand respect from their employer, their industry, and their peers.
Atlas is not yet doing that...and that is the point here. If you come here (and I will welcome you all day long), know the facts and jump in to take on the fight (as I am sure all will do that).
It is indeed a great job, but not a destination job...it is not a career-making job. If you wanna help make it that, come on over.
Good luck.
744driver.
This is not about some old bitter guys that want to hurt and damage the company...it is simply presenting what is a reality here.
And that is --
1. Atlas management is not willing to negotiate in good faith for our next CBA,
2. Atlas pilots' total compensation package pales in comparison to the majors (and while it may be better than where you are currently, it only means that you'll make your life a little better -- but make no mistake, you will not be rewarded the you'd be if you went to a major airline.)
3. The fight for the next CBA at Atlas is very real...they've tried to rip us apart by once again going through a merger, and their plan is to merge a crappy contract with a crappier contract.
Those are the facts.
This is not about how bad it is at the Regionals, or the freight-dog outfits in the rest of the world, etc etc -- at every stage in your career, one must expect and even demand respect from their employer, their industry, and their peers.
Atlas is not yet doing that...and that is the point here. If you come here (and I will welcome you all day long), know the facts and jump in to take on the fight (as I am sure all will do that).
It is indeed a great job, but not a destination job...it is not a career-making job. If you wanna help make it that, come on over.
Good luck.
744driver.
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