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Old 02-14-2016, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR View Post
Historically, what's been the timeline for the dust to settle for the pilot group after a merger/buyout on the cargo side? Like Atlas/Polar, Fed-EX/Flying Tiger Line, Sky Lease/Centurion.
Things tend to calm down after the last pilot on property at the time of the merger dies.
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Old 02-14-2016, 08:16 AM
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What is POSSIBLE??? ANYTHING...that is the point of POSSIBLE!!!





But...what is a LIKELY outcome? That is the question...

The quote from our Chairman was an honest reaction to actual facts laid out before him that many of us aren't privy to yet, and based upon decades of experience in the airline industry. I present this information to the perspective new hires so that they can envision themselves in a scenario that is developing at Atlas.

If you'd like to hide behind the saying of "anything is possible", OK yeah, everybody knows that and it goes without saying. Combined with our Chairmans knowledge/experience, the Teamsters, and my experience of going through two acquisitions, I can imagine a LIKELY outcome and its far worse than the facts and reactions I presented.
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Old 02-14-2016, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainHvac View Post
The quote from our Chairman was an honest reaction to actual facts laid out before him that many of us aren't privy to yet, and based upon decades of experience in the airline industry. I present this information to the perspective new hires so that they can envision themselves in a scenario that is developing at Atlas.

If you'd like to hide behind the saying of "anything is possible", OK yeah, everybody knows that and it goes without saying. Combined with our Chairmans knowledge/experience, the Teamsters, and my experience of going through two acquisitions, I can imagine a LIKELY outcome and its far worse than the facts and reactions I presented.
Yep, one acquisition was enough for me to understand it is about the upper management and share holders, not the employees. Come here at you're own peril. I think the note from WF yesterday saying "they had hired outsiders to guide them through this" should tell us that we "Atlas" want to deny any wrong doing and push the blame to "them" the outsiders. Polish the resume, UAL is going to add 2500 additional pilots to their ranks of 12.5k for a total of 15k. They will be turning up the training to 120+ a month! I smell opportunity.
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Old 02-14-2016, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by longhauler View Post
I think the note from WF yesterday saying "they had hired outsiders to guide them through this" should tell us that we "Atlas" want to deny any wrong doing and push the blame to "them" the outsiders.
If this is in reference to Ford and Harrison, everybody involved or potentially involved in Atlas contract negotiations or Atlas/Southern merger needs to do their research and be very familiar with these scumbags. F&H is strictly a union busting law firm. They have their successes and failures. Let's put this one in the failure column for them.

Their tactics are pretty standard throughout their history. I have dealt with them in the past, and they are good at what they do...Union busting and propaganda.
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Old 02-14-2016, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC View Post
If this is in reference to Ford and Harrison, everybody involved or potentially involved in Atlas contract negotiations or Atlas/Southern merger needs to do their research and be very familiar with these scumbags. F&H is strictly a union busting law firm. They have their successes and failures. Let's put this one in the failure column for them.

Their tactics are pretty standard throughout their history. I have dealt with them in the past, and they are good at what they do...Union busting and propaganda.
Can't bust what ain't here
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Old 02-14-2016, 01:07 PM
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I spoke with someone rather high up in management last night who said the company's plan is to eventually operate more 767's than we have 747's on property right now. 50, I believe, was the number floated.

That tracks with info I heard from a different management type a couple months ago regarding the aggressive growth plans for the 767 fleet here.

For those looking to get on with Atlas, the management type (who is involved with hiring) said the next big batch of interviews will be in late March. Atlas will also be attending WIA earlier in March. Still no insight into the hiring process, other than HR seems to be adjusting their "pre-screening" process such that the hiring rate for face to face interviewees will be high (something around 80% of interviewees were offered employment in the January interviews). Based on the conversation last night, getting face time with Atlas hiring reps at job fairs like WIA is one of the best things you can do to increase your chances of getting called for a face to face interview in Miami/Purchase.

Hope this helps any new guys/prospective new guys.
FIFTY 767's!?! And just long was the stick that carrot was tied to? Where the hell would they even deploy that many 767's?

Interesting that mere days after management says they intend to pursue an amalgamated contract, this would be put out there. Sounds more like pay no attention to where the contract is headed, we're going to get gobs of jets, WE PROMISE!
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Old 02-14-2016, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by longhauler View Post
Can't bust what ain't here
I'm confused by your logic. You say "can't bust what ain't here", indicating there is no Union(or unity), but many of your other posts are essentially telling people to support the Union.

What exactly is your stance? If you're one of those "the Union is useless so I'll just b**ch up a storm" guys, I'll just ignore you. If you're trying to support your fellow pilots and your Union, I'll listen to what you have to say(albeit, with a grain of salt on an anonymous internet message board).

Based on your past posts, you seem to walk the fence. I hope I'm reading that incorrectly.
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Old 02-14-2016, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC View Post
I'm confused by your logic. You say "can't bust what ain't here", indicating there is no Union(or unity), but many of your other posts are essentially telling people to support the Union.

What exactly is your stance? If you're one of those "the Union is useless so I'll just b**ch up a storm" guys, I'll just ignore you. If you're trying to support your fellow pilots and your Union, I'll listen to what you have to say(albeit, with a grain of salt on an anonymous internet message board).

Based on your past posts, you seem to walk the fence. I hope I'm reading that incorrectly.
Logic, people, if they start leaving there will be nothing left to bust, but the memories of bad decisions by management, yet again.
Walk the fence, hardly very pro union I would love a EU union capability to wild cat. I am stuck with neocons and the Koch brothers.
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Old 02-15-2016, 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
Read the thread, all you seek is there........

And if you get the tech test email, let me know. I will bend over backwards to help you out.
You work for Atlas but post on UPS threads? Really? You post all over APC and give really crappy advice. I hope you don't work for anyone you claim to work for.
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Old 02-15-2016, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp View Post
Things tend to calm down after the last pilot on property at the time of the merger dies.
I meant legally when the seniority list is merged and everyone is under one contract? Trust me, I know bitterness and anger last a lifetime. At my previous regional few years back 3 years had passed since the SLI and guys were still bent of out shape over it!
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