xjtguy

I'm not so sure I'd go so far as to say it's dead. There were a few apps open for other carriers recently that had an upload option for cover letters, etc.

Now, if you were going to a job fair and talking to the Atlas reps, giving them your resume, your PAQ, an internal rec letter if you have one, AND a cover letter probably wouldn't be a mistake.

But it's been covered in the thread multiple times, as far as the email submission goes, not necessary.

NanoSurf

Yeah, I guess I haven't got that far in he bread yet. There's a lot to read. Thanks for the advice. I'll treat the email as an informal cover letter.

Lobaeux

At the latest WAI job fair, I gave my resume and PAQ to the recruiter, she just set them down on the table without looking at them. Maybe it was just me, but I'm not so sure showing up helped.

I would slightly disagree with the cover letter though at job fairs. The three I've been to, the recruiters have all of five minutes with each applicant, they usually mark up and write notes on the resume. If there's a cover letter over the resume, they may end up writing their notes on the cover letter instead of the resume. I would suggest inserting a cover letter with the thank-you card you send after the job fair.

'Course, I'm still looking for a job, so maybe my tactic isnt working.

PotatoChip

I wish cover letters were still used. I'm tired of filling out online forms that turn me into a bunch of numbers with zero personality. If places like Atlas (and 75% of other carriers) truly were concerned with the person and not just the numbers then they would embrace cover letters. But alas, I understand no one has time to read 1000 cover letters anymore. It's a shame, it'd be really easy to weed out 50% of applicants on grammar and spelling alone. This thread is a testament to that.

Fair enough, I'll just keep filling out my PAQ...

amhess

I was just curious about the flying out of HSV. From what I've read on here, it sounds like more of the trips out of HSV might actually start and finish in base, which has tax implications. Also, is the flying as varied as much as it is out of another base like JFK, or do you hit the same locations more frequently?

hvydvr

JFK is the only base that gets over on imputed. Most trips start in base for all the others. Imputed is actually less in HSV because it is generally cheaper for the hotel and cheaper for the airline----depending on where you live of course.

DakBroadbent

I copied and pasted my cover letter into the email I sent with my résumé and PAQ.

ATCsaidDoWhat

If you understood Atlas, you'd know they do care about the person and they address that in a one on one phone interview. Cover letters used to be appropriate until interview mills came up with all kinds of used car salesman "here's why you should hire me" crap that is now so prolific, it is nothing more than an exercise in who can blow smoke better, hence the phone call.

Hours and numbers are hours and numbers. Talking to someone is a much better way of weeding out the folks who won't fit into the program. You may disagree, but it's their ball and their bat.

xjtguy

No problem. There's A LOT to this thread. A guy, I think KYTBRD made a pseudo index of topics, here it is;

Page number - Post number - Type of Info
196-1951 Hiring Process
342-3416 Hiring Process and LORs
238-2298 HR
239-2388 Hiring and Testing
167-1663 Interview
184-1835 Interview
213-2121 Interview
236-2352 Interview
169-1687 Pay
175-1746 Pay
225-2249 pay
222-2211 Company Info
223-2229 Company Info
234-2338 Company Info
286-2855 Company Info
289-2885 Company Info
290-2893 Company Info
294-2937 Company Info
300-2995 Company info (Investor Conf Call Links)
340-3391 Company Info
340-3394 Company Info
225-2245 Training Pay
286-2854 Training Pay
353-3522 Training, Bus schedules
352-3524 Training, Bus/Rental Cars
353-3526 Training, Car recommendation
353-3527 Training, Pay for driving your car
353-3529 Training, Income/Pay for driving your cay
356-3554 Preparing for training
356-3555 Preparing for training
354-3532 Training
201-2003 Recip Jump seat priv
187-1865 Essay
75-750 Testing
77-769 Testing
194-1940 Testing
198-1971 Testing
214-2136 Testing
216-2151 Testing
226-2253 Testing
220-2193 Testing
236-2352 Testing
251-2503 Testing
264-2635 Testing
264-2636 Testing
267-2669 Testing
281-2802 Testing
281-2807 Testing (weather link)*
AC 00-45G CHG 1 Aviation Weather Services
286-2808 Testing (FAA ATP pdf)
Index of /faa_exam/atp
287-2861 Testing
208-2075 Gateway info
176-1756 Retirements
332-3319 Retirements
274-2735 Reserve definitions (R1,R2, R3)
255-2541 IOE evaluation example

No opinion. I guess what I was trying to say was it doesn't have a place as far as resume/PAQ submission, that's been pretty much confirmed. However, at something like a job fair it's really not a bad thing to show up with it. Five minutes? That's almost generous. I went to some where it was 3-45 seconds of facetime on average, with waiting 2+ hours in line.


No opinion either way. But as mentioned, I'm guessing EVERYTHING from the phone screen to the multiphase interview takes care of that. To include the hand writing test portion of the interview.

Lobaeux

I hear ya on the job fair waiting time. I got about 4 minutes on my first job fair, 8 minutes on my second (I had a buddy timing on both, silly, eh?) and about 5 minutes with Atlas at WAI. The wait time was about five minutes (I know the recruiters had to be exhausted, there were a LOT of people at WAI, and I think I got to them when they were in a lull. I know a lot of people were there specifically to talk to Atlas!), so bad on me for not going back to the end of the line to talk to another recruiter. I had two copies of my resume/PAQ for Atlas, I'm kicking myself for not trying to get both copies in the hands of two different recruiters! Aaaarrggghhh!

But, after five minutes and hearing, "well, thank you for your interest, we get a lot of applications, just keep trying" twice from the same lady in those five minutes, I was a little disheartened. Still not deterred though! The 5th of the month is right around the corner!