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Old 11-22-2016, 06:20 AM
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Old 11-22-2016, 06:25 AM
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Yeah, a shortage of pilots who will work for low pay and/or crap schedule and conditions.

"airlines need to develop strategies to ensure they attract and retain, the right crew"

Meaning, pay more.

Economics, 101.
Supply -vs- demand
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Old 11-22-2016, 06:55 AM
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Yes. I am still convinced.
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Old 11-22-2016, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AgentSmith View Post
Yeah, a shortage of pilots who will work for low pay and/or crap schedule and conditions.

"airlines need to develop strategies to ensure they attract and retain, the right crew"

Meaning, pay more.

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uh... that's only one side of it..... the regulatory burden is immense and is choking the general aviation world. $70-90k for flight training, on top of getting a degree? Then another 2-3 years of making barely livable wages. Is it any wonder kids don't want to sign up for that?


That's not to mention the mandatory retirement combined with onerous and arbitrary 1500 hour rule.


So yes the companies should pay more and have better QOL, but the government also needs to quit being stupid (fat chance of that)
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Old 11-22-2016, 03:29 PM
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Pilots spend thousands of dollars on interview preparation and resume reviews. The legacy airlines spend nothing on recruiting pilots, because they don't have to. Regional airlines still have pilots flying for them despite pay that's on par with brewing coffee for Starbucks.

So yes, I'm still convinced that there's no pilot shortage.
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Old 11-22-2016, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NMuir View Post
uh... that's only one side of it..... the regulatory burden is immense and is choking the general aviation world. $70-90k for flight training, on top of getting a degree? Then another 2-3 years of making barely livable wages. Is it any wonder kids don't want to sign up for that?


That's not to mention the mandatory retirement combined with onerous and arbitrary 1500 hour rule.


So yes the companies should pay more and have better QOL, but the government also needs to quit being stupid (fat chance of that)
The government doesn't force you to go to a $200K university or fly a brand new G1000 airplane.
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Old 11-22-2016, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
The government doesn't force you to go to a $200K university or fly a brand new G1000 airplane.
Bingo!! There are plenty of ways to get a degree and your ratings for far less. Doing a little research goes a long ways.
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Originally Posted by NMuir View Post
the regulatory burden is immense and is choking the general aviation world.
Can you explain?
What regulatory burden?
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
The government doesn't force you to go to a $200K university or fly a brand new G1000 airplane.
A 4-year government college is going to be about $35k for tuition, probably another $10k for books and misc, and then living expenses ??$.

Flight training to get all one's tickets is around $60-90k including gear and check rides.

So $175k for a 4 year degree, plus flight training is not unrealistic. Granted the more one works while they are in training and college, the lower the number, but it is essentially impossible to do both these days for less than $140k without help (scholarships, angel donors, etc).

This is not even an aviation degree.


Getting a degree in aviation is a different ballgame all together (UND/Riddle/MTSU, etc).
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Muir -

You complain about a burdensome 1500 hour and then complain about regional wages. Barriers to entry helps drive wages up. Allowing 250 hr commercial pilots not the right seat of a regional helps keep wages low. Also - if 1500 is arbitrary - what is your plan for setting a better standard or are you one who likes to complain about things but has no answer?

You have good soundbites in some of your posts; and then you make statements that show that you do not understand the industry or aviation in general.
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