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Saab makes some good points in his earlier post. I agree that everyone in every walk of life has good days and bad days. Since I have bailed out of the 121 world and work in a non-aviation related field, I have good days and bad days, too. My bad days now, though, come with another 0 on the end of my pay check.
I think you're on to somethin' here.
Careful tho-you'll get lumped in with the realists here, and banished to the bottom of the forum, like Sky, me, and a few others.
Could you explain that in simple words?
Who lumped you with the "realists"? Who "banished you to the bottom of the forum"?
By god, I am not the person to say that Aviation is a dream job, just waiting to happen to every 400 pound kid that wants to fly. What I am trying to find out is why people who failed, slam the industry, god and the world and the lack of mercy if their dream doesn't work out.
The simple fact of the matter is that every kid that is told that an Airline Pilot makes 300K or even 100K a year has nobody to sue and blame.
Welcome to capitalism, where an investment broker can promise you 2000% return on investment all for a simple stupid * disclaimer * nobody wanted to read.
Back when I started the industry was very different. I think there was more genuine opportunity then. There are still airplanes to fly but the odds of making it to a position that offers prosperity are becoming very slim.
I wasn't buying into a dream. I wanted a profession that would support my dreams. Had I known that this costly endeavor would going to descend into an impoverished vision quest I never would have turned my first prop.
The good news is that pilots today seem to come braced for a life of poverty. However an inaccurate idealistic view seems to be pervasive as well.
Skyhigh
We didn't fail anything. The profession failed us.
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We didn't fail anything. The profession failed us.
I am trying to figure out which stage in life you are in:
1. Denial:
Nope, doesn't fit. You seem to have realized that you did not make it.
You appear to be COMPENSATING, RATIONALIZING and PROJECTING, together with a slight wind of a FORMATION OF REACTION.
2. Aggression:
Yup - you may be angry, sad and feel mishandled.
3. Flight:
Yup - you have found a way of covering the reality with thoughts. After a while the dreamworld outside of aviation (not really, you are still here) becomes real.
4. Resignation:
Well, I'm not sure on that one, the overall quality of your statements almost makes me think that you are trying to scare as many people away from this profession in some distorted hope to be the only pilot left on this planet. It's like hoping for the handsome guy to have a heart attack, to get a shot at his wife...
It wasn't the industry that failed you. It was your coworkers, who's eyes glazed over when they where offered to go to work a job that was previously seen as something special and reserved to those with an education and values, just by having a pulse and walking upright.
Thank them.
I am trying to figure out which stage in life you are in:
1. Denial:
Nope, doesn't fit. You seem to have realized that you did not make it.
You appear to be COMPENSATING, RATIONALIZING and PROJECTING, together with a slight wind of a FORMATION OF REACTION.
2. Aggression:
Yup - you may be angry, sad and feel mishandled.
3. Flight:
Yup - you have found a way of covering the reality with thoughts. After a while the dreamworld outside of aviation (not really, you are still here) becomes real.
4. Resignation:
Well, I'm not sure on that one, the overall quality of your statements almost makes me think that you are trying to scare as many people away from this profession in some distorted hope to be the only pilot left on this planet. It's like hoping for the handsome guy to have a heart attack, to get a shot at his wife...
It wasn't the industry that failed you. It was your coworkers, who's eyes glazed over when they where offered to go to work a job that was previously seen as something special and reserved to those with an education and values, just by having a pulse and walking upright.
Thank them.
I have my opinions to share and it sounds like they are not in alignment with yours. It does not mean that I have to be crazy or jilted. My aim here on this thread is to say that there is life after aviation. Not every job involves a cubicle. It is possible to find happiness and prosperity in other professions.
If you really are so prepared to become a doormat then I am sure that you will not be disappointed. Go out there and enjoy your career. All I am saying is that it is a life of sacrifice that offers an ever slimming chance at a decent fully funded life.
If you are comfortable with that and are prepared to live in a studio apartment at 43 then have at it. Enjoy your sunsets. Hopefully for you things will turn out better than it for for me or my friends. Sometimes I think that there is a point when the value of sunsets reaches an equilibrium with the cost of the profession and from that point onwards if there is nothing else to add to your compensation then the job becomes misery.
I have had my sunsets. Now I need to have a life.
Skyhigh
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Pilots are paid for what they will do, not for what they can do.
Does prozac make you complain and cry all the time?
If so, I'll skip it
Sounds like I hit the nail on the head. Why accuse this forum and it's people of having shunned you into the sad corner? Thats pathetic. Could you at least stand up and warn the thousands of students that are involved with $70.000+ pilot training in this country, trying to live the dream, that they are wasting their money? That would be noble!
Get over the angry stage, your life will get so much better. Insulting people doesn't help that.
Last edited by Careercfi : 07-17-2008 at 08:00 AM.
Does prozac make you complain and cry all the time?
If so, I'll skip it
Sounds like I hit the nail on the head. Why accuse this forum and it's people of having shunned you into the sad corner? Thats pathetic. Could you at least stand up and warn the thousands of students that are involved with $70.000+ pilot training in this country, trying to live the dream, that they are wasting their money? That would be noble!
Get over the angry stage, your life will get so much better. Insulting people doesn't help that.
Ya know he is a doctor. Maybe he was diagnosing your condition and the Prozac suggestion was really a prescription?
Just Kidding.
How is the job hunt working out? I was a CFI during the recession of the early 1990's and it was tuff. Most of the guys who graduated six months after I did never got their first job.
Why are you so angry? How come you are so offended by what is written here? Are you a little nervous about what you have gotten yourself into? What is the deal anyway?
SkyHigh
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Pilots are paid for what they will do, not for what they can do.
Ya know he is a doctor. Maybe he was diagnosing your condition and the Prozac suggestion was really a prescription?
Just Kidding.
How is the job hunt working out? I was a CFI during the recession of the early 1990's and it was tuff. Most of the guys who graduated six months after I did never got their first job.
Why are you so angry? How come you are so offended by what is written here? Are you a little nervous about what you have gotten yourself into? What is the deal anyway?
SkyHigh
ROFL, nice try bud!!
I never "graduated" from a pilot factory. Maybe thats why I am not broke and nervous about this very normal hickup of the industry. I also don't want to fly a RJ. I'm too old, and not exactly poor. Neither am I feeling limited to flying. Furthermore I'm not offended at all, it just stinks "skyhigh" that you guys bathe in all this negativity. Do any of your broken warriors have no backgroud in avaiation? How about some lawyer that lost his biggest case and could not retain business? How about the doctor that overlooked a patients cronical disease and got sued out of his pants? How about the factory worker at GM, that got laid off because his company decided it was a better move to produce certain parts of an "all American" car in China? People fail all the time. Get over it and move on.
In the end, it is a selfinflicted gunshot wound into the head.
You sell yourself too cheap, have no affection towards your fellow citizens and think "Me, Me, Me first!".
Write a letter to ATP's Academy, PANAM, and all the big factories out there and tell them to stop lying to the poor kids.
Write a letter to Mesa and tell them to hire their employees directly from Walmart. If Mesa had to pay for the training of some Walmart clerk to become a pilot, they would not hire anyone. In fact they would go out of business. Yet, thousands run their doors in, begging for a 20K job. What the heck?
If I don't pass the initial screening and bootcamp to join the Marines, can I walk out and scream at the Marines?
Run around and tell the world the Marines failed you, and see what happens.
Last edited by Careercfi : 07-17-2008 at 08:42 AM.
I am trying to figure out which stage in life you are in:
1. Denial:
Nope, doesn't fit. You seem to have realized that you did not make it.
You appear to be COMPENSATING, RATIONALIZING and PROJECTING, together with a slight wind of a FORMATION OF REACTION.
2. Aggression:
Yup - you may be angry, sad and feel mishandled.
3. Flight:
Yup - you have found a way of covering the reality with thoughts. After a while the dreamworld outside of aviation (not really, you are still here) becomes real.
4. Resignation:
Well, I'm not sure on that one, the overall quality of your statements almost makes me think that you are trying to scare as many people away from this profession in some distorted hope to be the only pilot left on this planet. It's like hoping for the handsome guy to have a heart attack, to get a shot at his wife...
It wasn't the industry that failed you. It was your coworkers, who's eyes glazed over when they where offered to go to work a job that was previously seen as something special and reserved to those with an education and values, just by having a pulse and walking upright.
Thank them.
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