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Old 10-14-2008, 08:30 AM   #11 (permalink)
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During my time at Horizon Air it seemed absurd to me that the company would spend so much on training new pilots then treat them like garbage. The reason was that Horizon knew that poor treatment would serve as a filter. Out of disgust and self respect 50% every new hire class would be gone within four years, another 25% would leave after they upgraded and the last 25% would be there for life. All the company really wanted was to capture that 25% of pilots out of every new hire class that would take whatever abuse the company would throw at them.

Over time that layer of martyred servants builds up to a point where the pilot group is mostly made up of self sacrificing employees who will never strike, always show up for work and rarely complain.
WOW Skyhigh - you just called an entire pilot's group bottom feeders and self sacrificing.
You have quite the opinion don't you?
Can't you make your point without sitting on top of your high horse?
Your points may be valid, but your delivery is just simply arrogant and self serving.

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Old 10-14-2008, 08:41 AM   #12 (permalink)
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More than a century ago the Blacksmith was among the most well respected professions in America. They held rare and highly prized job skills that were developed slowly over a decade or two before reaching professional status. Each product was made with care and skill one at a time. Their workplace was hot, dangerous and unhealthy. As a result they were able to command a healthy wage for their abilities.

The industrial revolution brought about factories and assembly lines. The great speed and accuracy that metal products could me made pushed the Blacksmith into history in a very short time. Assembly workers did not require such a long apprenticeship to be able to operate the factory machinery. Eventually employers learned that they could hire children and new immigrants that could not even speak English to run the line even cheaper than the former employees.

I believe that this comparison can be used to explain how automation and open skies will effect the future of aviation. Low time younger pilots are already comprising the majority of new hire classes at the regionals. Open skies will make it so that foreign pilots can do the job for even less. The age of the respected and well compensated pilot is heading into the twilight. A friend told me last week that 25% of new Air Force pilots were being assigned UAV slots. In ten years half of all military pilots could end up flying in a dark room staring at the flicker of video screens with a key board and small joystick as their flight deck. The near future of aviation will be sharply different than today and the changes are coming very fast.

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Old 10-14-2008, 08:51 AM   #13 (permalink)
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WOW Skyhigh - you just called an entire pilot's group bottom feeders and self sacrificing.
You have quite the opinion don't you?
Can't you make your point without sitting on top of your high horse?
Your points may be valid, but your delivery is just simply arrogant and self serving.

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I believe that strong statements and ideas dictate the use of strong language. You can not put yourself into such an arena in opposition to the stats quo and be anything less than confident and a bit arrogant.

Upon my resignation at Horizon Air I was told by an old and seasoned captain that "the good ones always leave". I do not know what I am calling the pilot group and only used Horizon Air as an example but I was not satisfied to work under the wages being offered at the time and am not very comfortable with what I see as the future of aviation in general. Most every airline that pays less than a significant wage must have a similar situation with their pilot group.

I enjoyed my co-workers at Horizon Air but do not share their ability to endure what the company offers for the slim chance at a better life. I arrogantly thought I was worth more and left to seek my fortune. In the end, for better or worse, we all are a union of one negotiating for our own prosperity.

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Old 10-14-2008, 10:11 AM   #14 (permalink)
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At least with hindsight's basketball analogy one could say that those with the most talent will rise to the top. Aviation is just dumb luck, because there is no measurable talent different between someone who flies the 777 and someone stuck in an RJ. There is a difference in training level, but the truth is that 99% of those who fly RJ's could easily go through the training to fly the 777.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:22 AM   #15 (permalink)
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[quote=SkyHigh;478871]I believe that strong statements and ideas dictate the use of strong language.

Call it what you want Sky. IMO you should not say such things about a group of people. I guess you and I have different ideas about what is acceptable.

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You know TonyM - I don't even have anything to say about whether you should have or should not have gotten out of the business; like I have said - that is your business. I agree with the alternative view and the right that you have the opportunity to express it. But then you go and use derisive descriptions like the one quoted above. Why is it bad that someone else wants to stay in the business and stick it out like you say? For some reason when I read your post - the phrase "flag wavers" seems like you are upset that I would chose to try and find employment in this industry.

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You shouldn't deduce that my statements seem like i'm upset. I hope you are massively successful. Just here to offer an alternative.
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Tony, what's the consensus of the people PM'ing you? Do they want to get into medicine? Other things? Are they actually going for it?
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Old 10-14-2008, 02:00 PM   #18 (permalink)
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You can not put yourself into such an arena in opposition to the stats quo and be anything less than confident and a bit arrogant.
And yet, if you wish to persuade someone, that is exactly what you must do.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:16 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Tony, what's the consensus of the people PM'ing you? Do they want to get into medicine? Other things? Are they actually going for it?

Some are jsut probing for info, some are actually leaving and don't really know what to do, and then some are fed up with mediocrity and believe that there is something better out there for them and their family.

The medical business is multi-faceted. Something in it for just about everyone. Certainly not the only alternative, but a really good one.

You can get into this business and never see a patient-sales, rep, ect

People are always going to need health care, the population is growing and my business is multiplying.
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And medical costs, and insurance SPIRAL out of control .... the high cost of medical care and associated insurance is part of the problem in this country.
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