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Old 08-12-2012, 08:34 AM   #221 (permalink)
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Most often it is because you insult people when trying to make your points.
That is why so many have tried to give you adivce in being more effective in getting your message across.
You know - the often said '...it isn't your message, it is your delivery', but you refuse to listen and continue with your attacks.

The second bolded part is a perfect example.
You basically say that it is impossible to have a "real life" if you are involved in aviation.
That is insulting to any pilot who is having a real life in aviation.

Your message is already out there.
They all manage to say it is a much more respectable manner.
Your message isn't in danger, but thank goodness your delivery is being overshadowed.

You bring much of it on yourself.

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USMCFLYR,

I understand what you are saying however the people who I am trying to reach are like minded. They react to how I write and to what I am saying. Others who are completely sold into aviation might not get it and are insulted. I am sorry for that.

Thanks for keeping an eye on me.

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Old 08-12-2012, 08:38 AM   #222 (permalink)
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USMCFLYR,

I understand what you are saying. Thanks for keeping an eye on me.

Skyhigh
Keep asking the same question and making the same statements over and over again - - - get the same answer.
It doesn't change unless you try to do something about it.
I think you are happy with your delivery.
I think it says something about you personality.
Why do you feel the need to put others down to try and get your points across when the same could be done without the insults?
Then you complain that others call you 'negative'?

I see your edited your post:
No Sky - many others tied to aviation or otherwise can read the insulting tone in which you write.
So you want others to insult anyone who views things differently? What is the difference Sky?
You are what you are complaining about.

USMCFLYR

Here is another for you to work your magic on Sky
I would love to be a pilot.
He is only in 8th grade.
I have no doubt that your arguments might work on him.
Give it a try!
Maybe you can count him among your saves.
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Old 08-12-2012, 03:13 PM   #223 (permalink)
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Never fall in love with something that can't love you back. Face it, aviation doesn't love any of us. Be fluid because flexible is too rigid when it concerns this industry.
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:15 AM   #224 (permalink)
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I would never want to crush anyone's dream. In the real world of return on investment.
SkyHigh is right.
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Old 08-13-2012, 07:21 AM   #225 (permalink)
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If someones dream is to fly a plane then they are in luck. Currently the industry is giving away right seats to teenagers. However if the dream also includes a stable well funded family life and retirement then they had better look elsewhere.

My dream was to earn a good living in a profession that I was well suited for and appreciated by my employers.

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Old 08-13-2012, 09:41 AM   #226 (permalink)
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Then why oh why did you pick aviation?
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:28 AM   #227 (permalink)
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Then why oh why did you pick aviation?
Most likely because there isn't much of a demand or career for professional Bloggers with the "Glass half empty" outlook.
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Old 08-13-2012, 02:36 PM   #228 (permalink)
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Then why oh why did you pick aviation?
My father grandfather and brother are all pilots. I took aviation as an elective in college and got an A without even trying. As with universities today aviation was promoted as another profession similar to that of doctor and lawyer. The university constantly paraded guys in their 20's in front of the class wearing major airline uniforms and driving new corvettes. We all were infused with the expectation of a coming pilot shortage that would assure us of getting hired at the major airline of our choice.

Without any other information to go on it seemed like a good investment so I abandoned my original major and switch to aviation. I was a natural and passed every class with A's or B's without hardly trying. I worked several jobs to pay my way through school and training and completed every rating in minimal time. The entire way I held the dream of making it to one of the west coast airlines that existed at the time. Upon graduation I had passed 727 flight engineer school and was ready to go to work.

Soon after the recession of the early 1990's hit. I spent the next 8 years living in my truck to keep the dream alive or in an employer provided hut in the Alaskan bush. After a while you become so invested that the idea of quitting is more painful than the prospect of continuing on a failing path. I stuck with it holding on to the promise of a hiring boom that never came.

You know the rest. In the beginning I was as passionate about aviation as the next guy but after years of hardship and disappointment it began to fade. The worst part is that most of my peers fell by the wayside long ago. It probably would have been easier if I had a few peer success stories to cling to.

I climbed the ladder a long way only to find that the job at the top was little better than what a mailman earns. I wish APC was around 20 years ago. I was there and sacrificed for a long time. I wanted a rewarding career but what I got was a humiliatingly impoverished adventure instead.

On the dirt ramp in Alaska I showed my resume to a legacy airline captain and asked him what I should do to improve my situation. He took a close look at it then asked me "who do you know" (in the airlines)? No one, was my reply. Then he handed back my resume turned his head and said "not now, not ever" and walked away. Years later I had a similar experience at job fairs.

Out of my graduating class of 20 two made it to a legacy. One of the two quit to take a desk job. The other wishes he could quit. We were cannon fodder. Never had a chance.

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Old 08-13-2012, 02:48 PM   #229 (permalink)
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The missing element that older pilots do not get is that it is much harder to make it now thanks to the advent of the regionals. My father had a flight instructor in the late 1970's who hit the 1500 hour mark and went on to a legacy airline. He was able to earn a family supporting wage in his late 20's and slowly started up the seniority list.

Now there is a added layer to survive and shrinking jobs at the few remaining good legacy airlines. The game has completely changed.

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Old 08-13-2012, 02:51 PM   #230 (permalink)
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My father grandfather and brother are all pilots. I took aviation as an elective in college and got an A without even trying. As with universities today aviation was promoted as another profession similar to that of doctor and lawyer. The university constantly paraded guys in their 20's in front of the class wearing major airline uniforms and driving new corvettes. We all were infused with the expectation of a coming pilot shortage that would assure us of getting hired at the major airline of our choice.

Without any other information to go on it seemed like a good investment so I abandoned my original major and switch to aviation. I was a natural and passed every class with A's or B's without hardly trying. I worked several jobs to pay my way through school and training and completed every rating in minimal time. The entire way I held the dream of making it to one of the west coast airlines that existed at the time. Upon graduation I had passed 727 flight engineer school and was ready to go to work.

Soon after the recession of the early 1990's hit. I spent the next 8 years living in my truck to keep the dream alive or in an employer provided hut in the Alaskan bush. After a while you become so invested that the idea of quitting is more painful than the prospect of continuing on a failing path. I stuck with it holding on to the promise of a hiring boom that never came.

You know the rest. In the beginning I was as passionate about aviation as the next guy but after years of hardship and disappointment it began to fade. The worst part is that most of my peers fell by the wayside long ago. It probably would have been easier if I had a few peer success stories to cling to.

I climbed the ladder a long way only to find that the job at the top was little better than what a mailman earns. I wish APC was around 20 years ago. I was there and sacrificed for a long time. I wanted a rewarding career but what I got was a humiliatingly impoverished adventure instead.

On the dirt ramp in Alaska I showed my resume to a legacy airline captain and asked him what I should do to improve my situation. He took a close look at it then asked me "who do you know" (in the airlines)? No one, was my reply. Then he handed back my resume turned his head and said "not now, not ever" and walked away. Years later I had a similar experience at job fairs.

Out of my graduating class of 20 two made it to a legacy. One of the two quit to take a desk job. The other wishes he could quit. We were cannon fodder. Never had a chance.

Skyhigh
Well you certainly have no trouble patting yourself on back. At least you are an optimist when it comes to yourself
Sounds like someone lied to you - and of course everyone you knew.
I guess I was lucky.
I was brought up - and told by others - that nothing would ever be given to me or guaranteed.
Matter of fact - if I were to regale you with as much history again and again as SkyHigh, I could tell the stories of how I was repeatingly told that I could not fly, would never be in the military.
I guess I'd rather be told the hard truth and fight for what I got then be lied to to like SkyHigh and expect the world to give me everything.

I like this part though....."You know the rest"
Well, most of APC knew everything you said to start off with, and then heard the "rest" again. Recently you even posted practically the same paragraph in numerous threads (almost copied and pasted). You do like to tell the same stories again and again.

Finally....did you really fly around the Alaskan bush with a resume in your back pocket to show to every Legacy Captain that was on vacation?

USMCFLYR

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