ncsuav8r

I've searched and read throughout the forum and couldn't find the specifics. What is the most a 1st year FO could make per month?
If the FAA limit is 100 hours, is it feasible to achieve this? Is it true
that if you drop a line and pick up another line, you receive 2nd year
pay? I'm just trying to plan ahead for the lean year(s).
How long is training? How much is paid during training? I appreciate
any specifics you could help with.

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Raidr17

Training is 6 weeks ish depending on age, which equals seniority your first day, younger guys may take 7. I think you are paid 85 TFP(trips for pay) per month @ first year pay which is roughly $46/trip. No per diem there. Once on the line you get 2.15 per hour away from base. If you can give away your first year lines (not so easy to do) you can pick up open time at year 2 pay ($77/trip). So you pretty much double your pay. Yearly I would say average is 60K, but I have heard a few FOs who pick up 2 open time trips a month and will make close to 100K. You get pushed up against the 30 in 7 rule though alot. Pay aside, the people here make everything worth while. Hope this helps.

PropPiedmont

If you lucky enough to live in base and be on reserve you can make a killing. I'm over 150 trips for June now, with 35 at second year pay. You can put yourself into 30/7 problems which turns a reserve day or two into a day where you don't fly.

Here the math for my June:

120 trips @ 45.90 = $5508.00
35 trips @ 77.45 = $2710.75
Per diem = $735.00 (I've been a *****)

Total for Month Gross = $8953.75 (About $6000 net)

Not bad for first year pay, but I did have to work my butt off for it. Averaging 120 trips a month, with 20 being at 2nd year pay is very easy to do.

I'm making up for the pay during training. For my first two months I netted (not grossed) $5000ish. That's both months combined.

Worldguy

i think its great that there is always someone willing to put in some triple time....that way the company doesnt have to have so many folks on the payroll. Keeps from having to transition as many folks to the captain seat and keeps the company from having to hire new folks....well done.
Cheers,
WG

Worldguy

and people worry about Skybus and VA.....lol

Nashmd11

Want to die young? I blocked 17 hours last month with a 75 hour guarantee. Got paid 17K. This happens every month. It's called a Trip-rig. You Guys at SWA are Brain washed into selling your Time. I have many many friends over there, and they all sound the same. Working 120 trips and 20 days. Crazy.

Polarfr8dog

Nicely put, Worldguy. I wish more folks could understand this concept. It goes back to we are making this profession what it is -- just like voting. Don't bi#ch about the bed you sleep in when you're the one that made it.

After reading Nash's comment I have to add this one as well: My june month BLOCKED a little over 21 hours. By getting extended on my trip for an extra two days and my guarantee, the pay month is 86. Oh yeah, and it looks like I'm going to be pay protected on my trips in July due to Captains getting IOE. Granted, the IOE is due to getting the aircraft back because of arbitration. So I get to sit at home for the whole month AND get paid. You guys can have those high flying multi-leg days. As I have stated before, I work to live and not live to work.

Metal121

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Wow, thats just great logic from you guys. Hmmm, lets see, lets pay our workers a lot of money but lets not utilize them, work them as little as possible, and see how we do financially every quarter. Gee boss, I just dont understand why we are filing bankruptcy?????

As a taxpayer, anwwer me this question. If road crews working on streets in your city got paid for 80 hour months but only worked 20 hours, and your car hit the same pot hole for 3 years, would you be irked? Of course you would be. You would be wondering why the heck the city is so mismanaged and why your car is in the repair shop for an alignement every few weeks. More importantly, would you LIKE YOUR TAX DOLLARS SPENT THAT WAY??? (I guess in your situation, you would be paying someone to sit around a lot from your "sitting around a lot" wages)

Sad to see that "earning" a living by actually doing some work is seen as such a setback for you.

By the way, the beauty of SWA is that you can CHOOSE to work 80 hours or 20. Its your choice. And when you do work 80, the compnay PAYS YOU WELL FOR IT. WOW, what a concept. FLEXIBILITY AND HIGH WAGES. PLUS, you get paid profit sharing (some Captains get an extra 30k check a year because the company did well that year). Just because everyone there wants to make the company succesful, so it is.

I guess thats why SWA is the highest paying and MOST successful airline out there. Hows yours doing?

It kills me when I hear guys saying" Man, I just dont understand why we are doing so bad financially". Then they look around and see that everyone of THEIR CO-WORKERS is only working 20 hours a month as well but getting all the extra's (healthcare etc). Which means that payroll has about 10 times too many people that are needed, and they are all sucking the company dry. In this business, with net profit margins of 3-6%, there is no place for that, as proven by a long list of airlines that ARE NO LONGER HERE.

Say what you want...but SWA has proven its model works. However, the 5 legacy carriers in or near bankruptcy today cant. As a matter of fact , they are switching to the SWA model. See Northwest productivity numbers this month.

Folks, its the only way to make money in this business, especially with gas prices the way they are. Go to work, have fun. Make the COMPANY successful. Hard to believe, but going to work at SWA is actually fun. EVERYONE GETS THE CONCEPT there.

I recommend you think about that. Its nice to sit around a lot, be underutilized, suck $$$ from the company, BUT ASK yourself this "AM I HELPING THE COMPANY'S bottom line?" Probaly not, and it should UPSET YOU that they are not using you efficiently. Thats MISMANAGEMENT. They are messing with your family's future and STABILITY. Im sure there are a lot of guys at United and Delta that would have given their left testicle to avoid what they and their families have gone through over the last few years. Even if it meant that management actually started to utilize them correctly and ensure the growth and stability of the COMPANY.

And unfortunately when dudes get furloughed, cant raise a family or make a house payment anymore, and their lives get seriously messed with, they wonder why?

I wish you no ill, and I hope your company does well in the future.

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dc10pilot

whose airline is making a profit - whose is losing money because they have to pay pilots for sitting around doing nothing - and not using them

Metal121

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