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Old 10-03-2007, 10:52 AM
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A good friend of mine, who flies for Delta, mentioned that the rumors of a merger between NWA and DAL have surfaced again. Any of you Northwest or Delta guys out there hear any rumblings or have thoughts on this?
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:01 PM
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I think that rumor got new life a few weeks ago when Anderson announced that just in case of a merger, all non-contract employees at Delta would be protected.

Personally, I don't see such a merger likely any time soon. Delta fought hard to be a "stand alone" airline when US Air tried to take them over, so I doubt they would sell out now.

An interesting tidbit if such a merger were to happen, though: NWA is the only remaining US airline to have "fifth freedom" rights (used to be NWA and Pan Am). That means they can have a base in another country (Japan, Narita base) and conduct international operations from there. Because of this, and NWA being grandfathered in with this, it's unlikely that Delta would take over NWA. The opposite is more likely.

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I'm thinking almost 0 fleet commonality...for an airline (DAL) looking to simplify it's fleet, that might not be the way to go...but once again, what do I know...
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I've heard this talk going around in the crew room also not to long ago, but I dismissed it as just a rumor. But I am not so sure now given the fact that NWA recently bought 49% share in Midwest. NWA also owns Champion. So who knows what will happen. I am not sure Delta pilots will go for this though. But then again, when did NWA or Delta management ever listen to their pilots for business decisions.
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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp View Post
I think that rumor got new life a few weeks ago when Anderson announced that just in case of a merger, all non-contract employees at Delta would be protected.

We are already selling seats on each other's airline. No over-lapping routes. A former NWA CEO. NWA has a strong Pacific presence and DAL a stong North Atlantic presence. Seems like a perfect fit as long as we gut NorthWest's satanic management. Also, why would Anderson put out that memo???

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We are already selling seats on each other's airline. No over-lapping routes. A former NWA CEO. NWA has a strong Pacific presence and DAL a stong North Atlantic presence. Seems like a perfect fit as long as we gut NorthWest's satanic management. Also, why would Anderson put out that memo???

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Agreed, a merger makes sense. But they would probably have to call the new company Northwest and not Delta. There's too much pride in Atlanta for that. The Delta employees have already proven that they can be a formidable poison pill to a merger/acquisition.
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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp View Post
An interesting tidbit if such a merger were to happen, though: NWA is the only remaining US airline to have "fifth freedom" rights (used to be NWA and Pan Am). That means they can have a base in another country (Japan, Narita base) and conduct international operations from there. Because of this, and NWA being grandfathered in with this, it's unlikely that Delta would take over NWA. The opposite is more likely.
Pretty sure that UAL has these rights also. Received when they Purchased Pan Am's Pacific routes. FedEx also has them as a result of the Flying Tigers purchase.
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If they blocked United and USAir why would they let NWA and Delta?
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Pretty sure that UAL has these rights also. Received when they Purchased Pan Am's Pacific routes. FedEx also has them as a result of the Flying Tigers purchase.
UAL does not. This is why they don't fly past Tokyo like NWA does. They got the routes to/from the US mainland, but not the cabotage beyond.
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UAL does not. This is why they don't fly past Tokyo like NWA does. They got the routes to/from the US mainland, but not the cabotage beyond.

AAah,

UAL has a ton of flights that go from NRT, NGO, and KIX that go on to other places in Asia. They have the same rights as NWA. I think they got them from Pan Am.
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