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Old 03-18-2008, 07:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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CHICAGO - United Airlines said Tuesday it plans to remove 15 to 20 older, less fuel-efficient airplanes from its fleet and may reduce capacity in the face of soaring oil prices that could increase its fuel costs by more than $1 billion this year.


In a move reflecting the increasing squeeze on the airline industry, UAL Corp.'s United also said it is looking to reduce other costs and continue passing along the higher fuel expenses to its passengers by charging extra for some products and services.


The nation's second-largest airline already raised round-trip fares by as much as $50 per round trip last week, a move quickly matched by other carriers.


Fuel is United's largest expense, and every $1 increase in the price of a barrel of oil boosts its costs by about $60 million. Oil prices have shot up by about $20 barrel in the last six weeks, raising United's projected 2008 costs by some $1.2 billion.


"We are taking a prudent step now by reducing our fleet, taking assets out of the network that don't make sense at these fuel prices, to better position United to be successful in an ever-challenging environment," Chief Financial Officer Jake Brace said.


Brace was to outline the changes later at a conference for airline industry investors in New York.


CEO Glenn Tilton defended passing the higher costs to customers in a message to employees.


"It is in no one's interest _ not our employees, our investors, and certainly not our customers _ for U.S. network carriers to be so vulnerable to inevitable, as well as unexpected, economic downturns," Tilton said. "U.S. airlines must function like other businesses, making investments and providing service where we can do so profitably."


United shares fell 5 cents to $20.86 in morning trading.
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Old 03-18-2008, 07:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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A new hire gets the crap beat out of him at TK.

Sorry you've been used as a punching bag by some of the locals (hope you didn't just pick up your per diem for the week in cash). Oh, by the way you're furloughed 1 April, have a nice day.
Man, what is your problem? Get rejected by them multiple times or something? I don't work for United -- just passing on some industry news. My statement "the good news just keeps coming and coming" was related to the also just released announcement of cuts at DAL -- I guess I should have spelled that out for you.

And has been pointed out, the hotel that the United guy was at is used by several other airlines. Glad to see you have so much sympathy for one of your fellow pilots who from the sounds of extent of his injuries might not even be able to fly again. And what company was that where a JS went nuts and tried to kill the crew? What kind of jerk would wish ANY of his fellow pilots to be furloughed? Like I said at the beginning, what is your problem???
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Man, what is your problem? Get rejected by them multiple times or something? I don't work for United -- just passing on some industry news. My statement "the good news just keeps coming and coming" was related to the also just released announcement of cuts at DAL -- I guess I should have spelled that out for you.

And has been pointed out, the hotel that the United guy was at is used by several other airlines. Glad to see you have so much sympathy for one of your fellow pilots who from the sounds of extent of his injuries might not even be able to fly again. And what company was that where a JS went nuts and tried to kill the crew? What kind of jerk would wish ANY of his fellow pilots to be furloughed? Like I said at the beginning, what is your problem???
I think I should be asking you "what's your problem?".
Perhaps something was lost in translation.
My post was written in sympathy and I wouldn't wish a furlough on anyone. I used to work at UAL and any grounded aircraft there certainly could mean a furlough and affect friends of mine still there.

I was attempting to agree with your posting of "more good news" (obviously both of us sarcastically). Some poor guy gets beat up in new hire class and then to add insult to literal injury some news comes out about grounded aircraft. Not good.
Sorry if I didn't get my message across properly.
I guess my "doo-doo" reference got it pulled anyway. Whatever.
Cheers.

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You two are going to have to go to neutral corners here pretty soon, lest the moderator steps in and puts you both in time out.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:56 AM   #5 (permalink)
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the 15-20 less efficient airplanes.....what are talking here? The 737-300?
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:07 AM   #6 (permalink)
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yes and -500... will not result in furloughs... we are still under-staffed.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:13 AM   #7 (permalink)
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the 15-20 less efficient airplanes.....what are talking here? The 737-300?
Most likely. Routes those aircraft are on will be the easiest to "farm out" to the regional partners flying the "Guppy Killers" (i.e. EMB-190s). More flying lost that will probably never be recovered, unfortunately.

In case any more bleeding hearts want to wack me upside the cranium...
Official Disclaimer: This post written in sincere sympathy for my UAL brethren who seem to get kicked in the jimmy every time things start looking up.
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Anyone have any idea on how this will affect future classe? Are you guys under-staffed enough to still need new hires, or can we expect all future classes to be put on hold? Thanks.
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Anyone have any idea on how this will affect future classe? Are you guys under-staffed enough to still need new hires, or can we expect all future classes to be put on hold? Thanks.
All classes going forward as planned (200 newhires this year).
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Hey Shrek,
You hear that from the "inside" today? I am too scared to call and find out.
And as far as which A/C, they said the 737-500. (I would assume it is both the 300/500). Doesn't matter, 15-20 A/C is 15-20 aircraft that don't need a crew.
Also, when I interviewed, they said 350 first half of this year. Then it was dropped to 250 after age 65. No one really knows though. OR DO THEY?!!!
BTW, Sprint/Sprite/Spi it Airlines still owes me 90 hours vacation pay!!! About $10,500.00 before taxes!!! I need that for my "Furlough Fund".
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