fireman0174

Whoa, that's kind of a strong statement to make.

I personally see Mr. Moak as doing what he thinks is the right thing for the DAL pilot group, but IMO it's a wrong action.

It's not exactly a warm and fuzzy welcome mat to the NWA pilots.

Time will tell.

fireman0174

If that's true, it would be important to remember that what's good for one group might not necessarily be that way for a different one.

But, it's all speculation at this point.

fr8tmastr

Not to worry, ALPA merger policy will take care of all these problems

Fishfreighter

LOL! Now THAT'S funny!

Carl Spackler

I don't think that can happen, but I'm not 100% on that. What CAN happen is all capacity reductions happening on the NWA side of things, and thus all the furloughs. When the reductions are complete, hiring could begin on the Delta side with NWA guys still on furlough if management felt an increase on the DAL side was more appropriate. What would stop it all instantly is NWA agreeing to SLI terms agreeable to DALPA. It's called leverage.

Whether one-sided furloughs or hiring while another group is on furlough will actually occur is unknowable. The problem is that the strategy employed by DALPA thus far ALLOWS it to happen.

There is just enormous pressure right now on the NWA MEC. UAL/CAL need to take a lesson from this.

Carl

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nw320driver

It's not wise to ****-off 5200 pilots who will someday be in your MEC. Who knows, maybe you will need their surport........

RockyBoy

Moak is doing what he is suppose to do and that is protect the jobs of Delta pilots and attempt to get some of what we have given up back. He just got us back a significant portion of that using leverage that we had in our contract. What should he have done? He would have been a total fool to give up what LOA 19 provides us and play hardball like NWALPA is doing. Two months ago we had 19% raises over 4 years and 5% equity. This LOA was 17% and 3.5% equity. If we said no, then we would have been stuck with 3% pay raises over the next 4 years and 0% equity. His job isn't to look out for the NWA pilots. NWALPA decided to use a different strategy which was to turn down any improvements and oppose the merger.

RockyBoy

I think we will all be happy when this deal is over. NWA pilots are going to be brought up to our pay rates and work rules. Those pay rates are now 5% higher which is a good thing. The SLI will of course not please everyone, but I think we'll get it done.

Carl Spackler

He should have done exactly what he did do except the no furlough clause should have been for both NWA and DAL pilots. If the airline grows as Anderson says it will, furloughs won't even be an issue - if not then we all share the pain. Also, any pay raises actually payable after the merger closes should be put in escrow for distribution to all pilots after SLI is complete by whatever means. Now I know people are already thinking that it's not DALPA's job to negotiate for NWALPA. But since the LOA doesn't go into effect until AFTER the merger closes and it currently includes pay rates for NWA aircraft, DALPA already DID negotiate for NWA pilots. They just chose to only go so far.

The good thing about my hair-brained idea is that it is still possible to do this. I'm sure DAL management wouldn't care, they were only interested in not having to park NWA wide bodies due to the old DALPA scope clause. The LOA fixed that. Let's fix the rest of it. It would be such a show of statesmanship and unity that it would shame our side back to the table if they were the unprepared freshmen that they have been portrayed as.

Carl

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jsled

I think Mr. Moak and the DAL pilots kicked butt on this agreement. These mergers NEED to happen in my opinion. ALPA merger policy will take care of the list eventually, up to and including mandatory binding arbitration. Meanwhile, the DAL pilots get some goodies and NWA pilots have a real incentive to get the list done. Correct me if I am wrong, but this agreement will be replaced by a joint agreement once the list is done. Again, good incentive for the NWA pilots.