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Old 05-11-2008, 09:57 AM   #111 (permalink)
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actually oil from oil sands is pretty high quality the million or so barrels a day trade at a premium to pumped crude oil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAasJZMRqTg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bANON6KLlGE

I agree w/ you that it is high quality, but this is only after it is mixed w/ other high quality crude. These 2 links above, particularly the first one, deal directly w/ this issue. The second link deals w/ the cost of oil and displays some unconventional views re: this cost.
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Old 05-16-2008, 05:55 AM   #112 (permalink)
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Its not a guess its a fact. The oil companies spent over 2.2 trillion dollars on taxes between 1977-2003, which did not include royalties and real estate taxes. In fact they were paying about 3 times more in taxes than what they made in profit. Lets all attack them some more and destroy the free market, capitalist country we live in by showing all companies that if they make a profit by god they are going to pay. People wonder why companies bail out and head to places like China to produce their products. Oil is a COMMODITY people, investors and speculators who head pension funds and hedge funds are just as much to blame for high oil prices as anyone. It is a fact that there are many hedge fund managers making millions of dollars a year buying and selling futures and oil contracts, nobody attacking them is there? All we can do is blame big oil because thats what we see on tv from politicians. Sorry but there are so many more factors to this problem than big oil.
Finally someone who understands the "under the radar" reason why oil prices are so high and why profits remain around the 10% level for oil companies. Am I a rah rah cheerleader for big oil? Absolutely not. The problem is people are intimidated by and don't understand how hedge fund managers manipulate markets, how derivatives work so they blame what the media feeds them. Why take the time to find out the real reason when you have the all knowing media telling you what to think?
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Old 05-16-2008, 05:59 AM   #113 (permalink)
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Another reason why this will only get worse:

Congress has once again refused to lift the ban on developing shale oil in Colorado and Utah. Predictably, it was the Democrats blocking it on party lines.

While I'm generally ambivalent about shale oil as a oil resource (dirty, water intensive, environmentally ugly), it nevertheless underscores the utter lack of leadership and direction at the federal level.

Republicans refuse to provide incentives for promising "green" or "clean" power (tax credits forsolar, wind, tidal generators, etc.); Democrats refuse to pass anything sensible like offshore drilling, ANWAR, or nuclear power plants. Both dump borrowed money into losers like corn-ethanol because it's popular in farming states.

And not a single Presidential candidate is even talking about any of this.

Kind of scary.


http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...le-moratorium/

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Old 05-16-2008, 06:55 AM   #114 (permalink)
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........ Predictably, it was the Democrats blocking it on party lines.


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Predictably we are paying outrageous "war/terror premiums" because of the republicans, right?
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Predictably we are paying outrageous "war/terror premiums" because of the republicans, right?
I didn't mean that as a swipe at the Democrats, per se. I was trying to note that both political parties are beholden to their interest groups, and neither one of them appear to be able to pursue a rational, diversified, long term national energy approach.

In the spirit of "predictable" republicans acting like knuckleheads: they simply refuse to consider long term production tax credits for renewables (wind, solar). These are capital intensive structures that will very likely pay off over the long term, but creditors are wary about investing in them after the solar boom/bust of the 1970s. Long term tax credits would remove that barrier. The republicans, however, refuse to authorize anything beyond 2 year credits . . . yet the don't hesitate to dump subsidizes and tax credits on big oil.

Our current lack of an energy policy simply cannot continue. At current trends, the US will be on track to spend 8 TRILLION dollars on importing foreign oil over the next 10 years. Irrespective of who that money goes to, the fact is that this is a huge drain on our national economy. I suppose when the US was the dominant manufacturing country in the world this cost could be considered relative (spend on energy, but make profits based on how you use that energy), but this is clearly no longer the case.

It's not a democrat vs. republican issue. Neither party is seriously addressing this vital issue. That includes all current candidates for President, who don't have a clue about energy policies. GW has also been a disaster on this issue.

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Old 05-16-2008, 07:46 AM   #116 (permalink)
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Predictably we are paying outrageous "war/terror premiums" because of the republicans, right?
How do you feel about the Dems who voted for the war?

Would the authorization have passed without them?

Why did they vote for it?
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