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Old 05-07-2008, 12:54 PM   #31 (permalink)
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when oil hits 200 dollars a barrel you will see masses of people digging holes in there backyards.
But somebody already drank their milkshake.
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:12 PM   #32 (permalink)
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The psychology of speculation here is interesting. Folks want to believe that speculation is the source of the problem. After all, if it is speculation/weak dollar that is driving the price of oil up, then speculation can change and the dollar can get stonger, the price of oil will come down. This is interesting because this very viewpoint re: oil is speculative in nature. It's just another form of speculation. I could care less what a bunch of economists/market analysts might say about the cost of oil. The fact of the matter is that most of these guys, along w/ the banks, were so far off their forecast re: the future cost of oil, they're reeling now. They were so far off, it's not even funny. But this was to be expected, as many have already pointed out, it is oil that drives the world economy. In order to continuously grow, you've got to have a continuously increasing supply of oil, specifically high-flow easy to extract oil. The market just assumed it would always be there, but most laughable, they always thought it would be cheap. But how could this be w/ a finite resource?

It was the world's geologists who first predicted a spike in oil prices, likely the result of a peak in production. The geologic data is out there. Production amongst almost all of the world's oil producing nations has peaked. That means than no matter how hard you try today to produce what you did yesterday, you'll be unsuccessful. We can increase domestic drilling, best case scenario we're only delaying the inevitable. Domestic drilling will likely have little impact on cost. We'll never produce the amount of oil domestically that we were in the 1950's ('bout 10 million bbl/day). So now we hope the dollar gets stronger. But all evidence is that the dollar will continue to weaken. Even Warren Buffett expects the continued decline of the American dollar, he invests accordingly. I can understand the temptation to want to compare oil prices to the housing bubble. They are not the same thing and differ fundamentally.
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The psychology of speculation here is interesting. Folks want to believe that speculation is the source of the problem. After all, if it is speculation/weak dollar that is driving the price of oil up, then speculation can change and the dollar can get stonger, the price of oil will come down. This is interesting because this very viewpoint re: oil is speculative in nature. It's just another form of speculation. I could care less what a bunch of economists/market analysts might say about the cost of oil. The fact of the matter is that most of these guys, along w/ the banks, were so far off their forecast re: the future cost of oil, they're reeling now. They were so far off, it's not even funny. But this was to be expected, as many have already pointed out, it is oil that drives the world economy. In order to continuously grow, you've got to have a continuously increasing supply of oil, specifically high-flow easy to extract oil. The market just assumed it would always be there, but most laughable, they always thought it would be cheap. But how could this be w/ a finite resource?

It was the world's geologists who first predicted a spike in oil prices, likely the result of a peak in production. The geologic data is out there. Production amongst almost all of the world's oil producing nations has peaked. That means than no matter how hard you try today to produce what you did yesterday, you'll be unsuccessful. We can increase domestic drilling, best case scenario we're only delaying the inevitable. Domestic drilling will likely have little impact on cost. We'll never produce the amount of oil domestically that we were in the 1950's ('bout 10 million bbl/day). So now we hope the dollar gets stronger. But all evidence is that the dollar will continue to weaken. Even Warren Buffett expects the continued decline of the American dollar, he invests accordingly. I can understand the temptation to want to compare oil prices to the housing bubble. They are not the same thing and differ fundamentally.

Thank you--I agree. oil is a FINITE commodity. Ever drop used today is one less drop for next week. We are already seeing the price of food affected by oil. Hopefully some genius pulls a rabbit out of the hat, but I don't think it will happen.

Of course we worry about how oil will affect our jobs and careers, but it will affect your belly and that of your kids too.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:11 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Great article to read on the future of oil prices...

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/ar...d=2008_4556036
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Old 05-07-2008, 06:32 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Hi!

Note: Here in YIP, gasoline went from $3.64 this AM, to $3.85 this evening.

http://www.hybridcars.com/oil-depend...-globally.html
Oil Use Down in U.S., Way Up Globally

Published May 7, 2008

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The Energy Department is projecting that ...the overall petroleum tab will drop by 330,000 barrels a day—the first annual decline since the oil price shocks of Iraq War I.
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But wait. Those 330,000 barrels of oil account for less than 1 percent of total gasoline demand in the United States. More importantly, while U.S. consumption takes a dip, global oil demand is projected to rise by 1.2 million barrels per day. This year, China alone will add 800,000 barrels a day to its consumption levels.
What does that mean for you and your experience at the local filling station? Demand will continue to outstrip supplies, pushing oil and gasoline prices even higher. Goldman Sachs sees the price of a barrel going past $150 and heading toward $200. Other industry analysts predict $7 at the pumps in the next few years.

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Ok, I'll bite. How will China increase it's consumption by 800K bbl/day. I fly to China/HKG once a week, almost every week and unless they plan on washing their clothes in oil and planning on serving crude oil shots at the bars it seems hard to imagine this increase in daily consumption.

No SUVs, no soccer mom vans...what gives.

Puzzled...must be the General Tso's chicken

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Old 05-07-2008, 09:58 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I wonder what would happen to the Chinese economy if our economy tanks and their exports suffer as a result? Unfortunately, years of bad policy with regard to domestic production and a lack of urgency to find a replacement for oil has left us extremely vulnerable.
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I wonder what would happen to the Chinese economy if our economy tanks and their exports suffer as a result? Unfortunately, years of bad policy with regard to domestic production and a lack of urgency to find a replacement for oil has left us extremely vulnerable.
One word==Tailspin
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Seems to me that if China wants the oil that bad, then THEY should be paying for it, not us.
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Seems to me that if China wants the oil that bad, then THEY should be paying for it, not us.

I am going to have a cup of coffee, and a cig, while trying to figure out what that means.
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