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To take it further, a corporate PIC would never get hired, a charter PIC would never get hired, etc.
That's not exactly true. SWA has hired many freight and frac pilots with zero 121 time. I could name 6 off the top of my head. If frac pilots get hired, then corporate pilots should (and I'm sure does) too.
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That's not exactly true. SWA has hired many freight and frac pilots with zero 121 time. I could name 6 off the top of my head. If frac pilots get hired, then corporate pilots should (and I'm sure does) too.
Yes, I know that's true, but go back and read what I wrote.
I said that IF the "legacies" put a premium on 121 SIC over non 121 turbine PIC , then 135, Frac, fighter, etc would never get hired.
Again, read what I wrote, especially the NEXT paragraph;
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The point being, if you are after resume fodder (not QOL), turbine PIC IS KING. Doesn't matter if it's single seat jet, mil IP, part 91/131 turbine, whatever. 121 SIC doesn't really mean much, unless the company has no requirement, and the applicant has some kind of "in".
[quote=dojetdriver;449402]Valid point, but think about this. If the airlines put a premium on 121 SIC because it is more like "the kind of flying they do", then a single seat tactical jet pilot would NEVER get hired at a major.
I was mainly speaking of someone without military experience here. Basically someone coming up from the civilian side of the fence.
That kind of flying has NO resemblance what so ever to the 121 world. YES, I know it's the best training in the world. YES, I know that experience is very good and the individual that has it is way smarter than your average bear. And NO, I'm not starting the tired, boring, stale, worn out Mil vs. Civ debate so take a breath before you respond.
I don't know if that last sentence was directed at me personally or just to anyone that would jump in on that old tired argument; but yes - I realize that most military flying has nothing to do with -121 flying.
To take it further, a corporate PIC would never get hired, a charter PIC would never get hired, etc.
You're speaking in absolutes here. I certainly never said thatanyopne without -121 SIC experience couldn't get hired. The question was what kind of time is more helpful. I gaev my view of what seems logical to me and then I sit back and listen to what people with MUCH more experience than I have to say about the matter. Like I said in the beginning of my first post DoJet - I have no experience in this matter.
The point being, if you are after resume fodder (not QOL), turbine PIC IS KING. Doesn't matter if it's single seat jet, mil IP, part 91/131 turbine, whatever. 121 SIC doesn't really mean much, unless the company has no requirement, and the applicant has some kind of "in".
This certainly seems to be the best type of time according to most opinions - turbine PIC.
I was mainly speaking of someone without military experience here. Basically someone coming up from the civilian side of the fence.
Yep, got that.
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That kind of flying has NO resemblance what so ever to the 121 world. YES, I know it's the best training in the world. YES, I know that experience is very good and the individual that has it is way smarter than your average bear. And NO, I'm not starting the tired, boring, stale, worn out Mil vs. Civ debate [b]so take a breath before you respond.[/B
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I don't know if that last sentence was directed at me personally or just to anyone that would jump in on that old tired argument; but yes - I realize that most military flying has nothing to do with -121 flying.
Wasn't picking on you, just trying to prevent the usual thread drift whenever the point is brought up.
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To take it further, a corporate PIC would never get hired, a charter PIC would never get hired, etc.
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
You're speaking in absolutes here. I certainly never said thatanyopne without -121 SIC experience couldn't get hired. The question was what kind of time is more helpful. I gaev my view of what seems logical to me and then I sit back and listen to what people with MUCH more experience than I have to say about the matter. Like I said in the beginning of my first post DoJet - I have no experience in this matter.
Wasn't speaking in absolutes. But being in the "civilian" side that has flown with BOTH mil and civ pilots, as well as seen the kinds of guys that do get hired at the majors, I was just making the point.
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The point being, if you are after resume fodder (not QOL), turbine PIC IS KING. Doesn't matter if it's single seat jet, mil IP, part 91/131 turbine, whatever. 121 SIC doesn't really mean much, unless the company has no requirement, and the applicant has some kind of "in".
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
This certainly seems to be the best type of time according to most opinions - turbine PIC.
From your posts sound like you are at PDT. if i were you i would leave for a king air job. No i a not a major pilot. I am just a PDT poolie (get my drift).
Good luck on your choice, which ever 1 you pick!
Last edited by threegreen : 08-24-2008 at 11:10 PM.
Kerosene PIC,very good for future career advancement, SIC less so,round engine,tailwheel PIC,very fun, doubt you can even find it anymore,makes for great stories at the interview,not the best for todays environment but great for the soul.
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