Pilots helping pilots
View over 100 airline profilesAdd to Google



Welcome to the Airline Pilot Central Forums forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. If you're a working pilot, please join our free community and you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you don't want to register (or not a working pilot), you can still use the Google search box in the upper left of this screen to search all forum posts!

Go Back   Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Major Legacy, National, LCC

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-26-2008, 06:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
Brown Poolie
 
ERJ Jay's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 756 FO
Posts: 119
Default Any DAL or NWA guys with the "new" Contract?

Any DAL/NWA guys out there with a copy of the "new" contract? I'm looking for a copy or a gouge sheet with:
Pay
Work Rules
Scheduling
Retirement
Scope

Thanks,
PM me if you do.
ERJ Jay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2008, 07:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
acl65pilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 1,530
Default

Pay is a bump of 5, 4, 4, 4 on the APC rates. On Jan 1, 2009 and all the way to 2012.
Our international override went to C2K rates. really not much I think 4 dollars an hr for an FO and 6 for a CA in a few years. (Correct me if I am wrong this is off the top of my head)
Add 2% to the 415 DC plan.1% in 2011 and 1% in 2012.
Nothing has changed in scheduling except reserves can only be used for six short call periods a month versus the eight now.
Green slips are now 200% pay above ALV or 75 hrs whichever is less. Used to be 150% pay above 82 hrs.

Scope is a Max of 255 70 and 76 seat jets.
It is basically the same PWA DAL has had with a few tweaks.
acl65pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2008, 06:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 538
Default

Its the 1113 Bankruptcy contract with minor changes. If you had told Delta pilots in 2005 that they would vote to continue that contract to 2015 they would have told you that you were crazy. We just did exactly that.
sailingfun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2008, 07:03 AM   #4 (permalink)
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 767ERF/O
Posts: 56
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Its the 1113 Bankruptcy contract with minor changes. If you had told Delta pilots in 2005 that they would vote to continue that contract to 2015 they would have told you that you were crazy. We just did exactly that.
I think if you had framed that "telling" with a backdrop of $110-140/bbl oil, a crappy economy, and numerous liquidations and BK at other carriers, they may not have told you we were crazy--perhaps just prudent. Doesn't mean that I'm happy with it--I just don't demonize the group for voting they way we did. (I voted for the contract, BTW).
Herkflyr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2008, 07:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 538
Default

There have been no bankruptcy filings at major airlines and no major airlines have gone out of business. Most who wanted a better contract understood the environment we work in. They simply wanted a upside if things change and the company does well. This contract has no upside, only a slow decrease in pay as inflation eats away at all of us. In 2015 if we get a new contract by then our earning power will be well below what it was in 2005 with the 1113 contract. Who would have thought that!!!!
sailingfun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2008, 12:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 36
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Pay is a bump of 5, 4, 4, 4 on the APC rates. On Jan 1, 2009 and all the way to 2012.
Our international override went to C2K rates. really not much I think 4 dollars an hr for an FO and 6 for a CA in a few years. (Correct me if I am wrong this is off the top of my head)
Add 2% to the 415 DC plan.1% in 2011 and 1% in 2012.
Nothing has changed in scheduling except reserves can only be used for six short call periods a month versus the eight now.
Green slips are now 200% pay above ALV or 75 hrs whichever is less. Used to be 150% pay above 82 hrs.

Scope is a Max of 255 70 and 76 seat jets.
It is basically the same PWA DAL has had with a few tweaks.
The pay increases, are they all percentage increases on todays Delta rates, or are they compounded annually?
Zoomie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2008, 12:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
Gets Weekends Off
 
acl65pilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 1,530
Default

Percentages that are compounded annually. It 100 now is 105 on Jan 1, 2009 and 109.20 on Jan 1, 2010 and so on.
acl65pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2008, 01:09 PM   #8 (permalink)
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 36
Default

Good to know. Thx.
Zoomie is offline   Reply With Quote


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Two-way street Spaceman Spliff Mergers and Acquisitions 69 08-13-2008 11:47 AM
Vote NO to TA Delta pilots Express pilot Union Talk 119 08-13-2008 07:41 AM
NWA DAL Negotiated SLI results? JetFlyer06 Mergers and Acquisitions 4 08-08-2008 09:48 PM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:06 AM.


Copyright ©2000 - 2007 DreamLaunch Media Ltd

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC7