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Old 08-27-2008, 05:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Southwest says it won't pay FAA fine by deadline
Tuesday August 26, 10:51 pm ET Southwest Airlines says it won't pay record FAA fine by Friday deadline
DALLAS (AP) -- Southwest Airlines said Tuesday it will not pay a record $10.2 million fine by Friday, the deadline set by the Federal Aviation Administration.

The FAA levied the fine against Dallas-based Southwest Airlines Co. in March because it said the airline continued to fly dozens of Boeing 737s that hadn't been inspected for cracks in their fuselages.

"Our hope continues to be that we will resolve the matter amicably with the FAA, however long that takes," Southwest spokesman Beth Harbin said in a story Tuesday on The Dallas Morning News' Web site. "We would hope that the FAA will continue to discuss the matter with us in good faith as we have been doing all along."


FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown told The Associated Press that the FAA is continuing talks with Southwest. She declined to comment further.

The FAA set the deadline in an Aug. 12 letter, warning that it would refer Southwest's case to the U.S. attorney's office if the fine is not paid.
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Old 08-27-2008, 06:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Tuesday August 26, 10:51 pm ET Southwest Airlines says it won't pay record FAA fine by Friday deadline
DALLAS (AP) -- Southwest Airlines said Tuesday it will not pay a record $10.2 million fine by Friday, the deadline set by the Federal Aviation Administration.

The FAA levied the fine against Dallas-based Southwest Airlines Co. in March because it said the airline continued to fly dozens of Boeing 737s that hadn't been inspected for cracks in their fuselages.

"Our hope continues to be that we will resolve the matter amicably with the FAA, however long that takes," Southwest spokesman Beth Harbin said in a story Tuesday on The Dallas Morning News' Web site. "We would hope that the FAA will continue to discuss the matter with us in good faith as we have been doing all along."


FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown told The Associated Press that the FAA is continuing talks with Southwest. She declined to comment further.

The FAA set the deadline in an Aug. 12 letter, warning that it would refer Southwest's case to the U.S. attorney's office if the fine is not paid.
Great. Maybe DAL and AMR should sue SWA for the losses they incurred as a result of the FAA no longer granting waivers previously agreed to for their maintenance programs. The resulting chaos from the MD80 debacles in the spring were a direct result of SWA intentionally not playing by rules and in fact, subverting them. Any waiver here would be a crock in my opinion.
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Great. Maybe DAL and AMR should sue SWA for the losses they incurred as a result of the FAA no longer granting waivers previously agreed to for their maintenance programs. The resulting chaos from the MD80 debacles in the spring were a direct result of SWA intentionally not playing by rules and in fact, subverting them.
Your accusation is the most ridiculous thing I've read on the forum. I can't believe you blame SWA for your airlines debacles.

BTW, yes, we are the source of every problem in the whole world. Iraq, Darfur, Iran, the mortgage and credit crisis, etc. Blame that on us.
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Everyone hates Southwest because the company makes to much money, gets special attention from ATC, and they keep on getting more airplanes. Cry me a river build a bridge and get over it. If I were any airline I wouldn't want to pay that much.
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Everyone hates Southwest because the company makes to much money, gets special attention from ATC, and they keep on getting more airplanes. Cry me a river build a bridge and get over it. If I were any airline I wouldn't want to pay that much.
SWA doesn't make much money in the grand scheme of things. Pulls a profit every time but I don't believe I've seen it with cash on hand like the rest.

The ATC treatment is BS though.
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SWA I don't think it loss a quarter since 1991. You're telling me they don't have money hidden somewhere?
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Your accusation is the most ridiculous thing I've read on the forum. I can't believe you blame SWA for your airlines debacles.

BTW, yes, we are the source of every problem in the whole world. Iraq, Darfur, Iran, the mortgage and credit crisis, etc. Blame that on us.
Calm down. He isn't saying that SWA is to blame for anything more than what he specifically stated. I think it would be hard to argue that the crack down on American's MD-80 wiring harness MX wasn't a direct result from the issue involving SWA.

Several parties knew what was going on (at SWA) and looked the other way. American, among others, paid the price when the FAA higher-ups found out and subsequently over reacted. Simple as that.
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The resulting chaos from the MD80 debacles in the spring were a direct result of SWA intentionally not playing by rules
I am calm duvie. I think you need to reread his post, he does blame SWA for the direct the result of the MD80 debacle.
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I am calm duvie. I think you need to reread his post, he does blame SWA for the direct the result of the MD80 debacle.
The FAA came out with a big fat black eye after SWA colluded with, and intentionally flew aircraft that were not airworthy. The resulting crackdown had the FAA come down hard on various FSDO's who had granted relief to specific airlines. This happens all the time. It was unusual that the FAA went over the various POI's overseeing the airline's and issued blanket compliance orders that resulted in the meltdown of AMR and DAL's MD80 fleets.

As far as Iraq, Darfur, etc. You need to absolutely relax and calm down. I never inferred anything beyond what SWA did regarding the maintenance debacle. You guys flew unairworthy planes, and I'm the problem? That attitude is pathetic, not me. How can you defend those actions? If you intentionally fly below mins. are you not breaking the law? This was the same thing.
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What's to negotiate?

If I don't pay a traffic fine that is owed, the Court issues a bench warrant for my arrest and pulls my driver's license. The FAA should expect payment of the penalty and if that doesn't happen, pull the Certificate.

Why do major corporations get different treatment under the law?

IMHO, if it is proven and if the airline blows off the FAA's authority, then the FAA would be acting appropriately to pull the certificate.
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