GolfKilo73

Hire date would go back to June of 2006.

As far as the ETOPS training, for FO's it's only a two day class on procedures and additional raft training. The Captains are the only ones that need a line check. Unfortunately it probably wouldn't be that difficult to train up another group for ETOPS. The logistics should still apply as to a particular base of pilots being trained. Unless they wanted to train all of SEA, they would have to train a certain amount of folks, then have a base reduction and pay to move all the new ETOPS FO's to ANC. We'll see if it actually plays out that way.

Saretsky has said a lot of things that don't pan out. Just before the 165 number he was saying 50-70 at the ANC base roadshow. What "truth" do you want to believe?

ArcticDog

I heard from someone at todays roadshow in LAX that Saretsky said "it could be closer to 200 furloughs...but thats squishy".

If he wants to see squishy maybe he should look in the mirror...oh wait...that's slippery!

skid

What is the full training req for the ETOPS cert at alaska? I have read the 2 day training thing or whatever, but why is the flight portion on there is that an FAA requirement for all carriers? Just wondering I have never done it.

Also why wouldn't they just run a recurrent type class to qualify everyone on the ground part of it. Seems like a pain in butt to deal with only certain crews being able to do it. Then just do the flight portion as needed when someone is scheduled to fly that kind of a trip.

I know it sux to be on the short end of the furlough stick. (personal experience) I wish all of you the best of luck. Hopefully those that are faced with it dont have to go through it for too long.

Green Banana

The ETOPS is an add on. After you finish your check ride in the sim and are completely finished ground school. The class then divides into LAX/SEA guys that are scheduled for line OE and ANC guys that come back for two days of ETOPS/CLASS II NAV. You learn regs, procedures, raft drills, exc.. For FO's there is no line experience. For CA's you will have a check airmen in the jump for your first ETOPS flight to help guide you.

All they have to do to train new crews that are displaced from LAX/SEA to ANC is one mass 2-day class for FO's and CA's, then schedule a check airman with a CA for their first crossing. It is really no big deal and will not effect the training program that much.

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Justdoinmyjob

And people wonder why there is no unity between pilot groups. Kinda makes me halfway hope oil goes to $200.00 a barrel, just to put pressure on your "set in stone, company promise" not to furlough. Although, if JBU ever did furlough, I'm guessing you won't be posting here to have the above comment thrown back at you.

GolfKilo73

This negotiation process is obviously way over your head WB. Management is deep into the union busting playbook and are playing hardball. Why wouldn't they? Afterall, there are millions of dollars at stake. They don't want to give an inch until it is absolutely necessary and are doing what they can to control the negotiation process and the pilot group.

Wait a second...I'm trying to explain this to someone who can barely write at the fifth grade level. Oops.

757Driver

Jet-Blow,

Say no more.

Fishfreighter

Not a factor, I suspect. Most of the pilots displaced to ANC will NOT move there. They'll commute until they can hold SEA/LAX again. I'm sure the Company is counting on this and has empirical data to support it. Given the MD ANC base experience very few people will actually take advantage of the contractual moving expenses.

Now they're talking 11-12% sked reductions and 165 would be about an equal staffing reduction.

I'm not so sure about that, Cappy. There are virtually NO ramifications of furloughing ETOPS guys. Two days of GS and you're good to go. Send a Check Airman on your first overwater leg and its done. The only hitch would be the moving expenses that the Company would be exposed to in a displacement bid and see above for why they're not worried.

Probably true. If a significant number of the guys who are over 60 and turn 60 in the next couple years take the early out, the number of furloughs could be significantly reduced.

In all my prior dealings with Saretsky I've found him to be intelligent and forthright. It always made me wonder how he managed to survive at Angle Lake.

Makes sense to me.

That's the Company line. They've been preaching that since I got hired. Some of you young guys may not remember it, but in '98/'99 they were all hot on "2000 (pilots) by 2000". There have been various versions of that projection back to the '80s.

That just means they're waiting to see how many old-timers pull the ejection handle. If I was eligible, I probably would.

No comment.

KKKBTAXI

I am curious as to how many pilots at ALK are now and will be flying past the age of 60? (Or any anirline) It is NOT a junior pilots faults that a 60+ pilots managae thier retirement poorly, so in my opinion STOP dicking with us junior guys chance to build a retirement!

Moose

[quote=WaterBoarder;457351][quote=GolfKilo73;456987]Management is deep into the union busting playbook and are playing hardball. Why wouldn't they? Afterall, there are millions of dollars at stake. They don't want to give an inch until it is absolutely necessary and are doing what they can to control the negotiation process and the pilot group.

I don't get your comment. GolfKilo hit the nail right on the head in his comments. Our union reps are keeping us well informed and we are unified. Is it not good that a pilot has a good grasp of the negotiating process??? I would hope so because so much rides on it. If our management was as free as Jetblues to do what they want then you would see no pension here, a 3% 401 match, the lowest pay scale in the industry, horrendous work rules and guys being fired for almost anything. They are terrible in regards to employee relations here. When you let a bean-counter run an organization everything and everyone becomes a cost unit and leadership is scarce.
If you work at Jetblue, then I would be a bit worried because you have little leverage on anything. Are you supporting the JBPA? If so, good on you! If not, then maybe you should look into a management position because you believe they actually have your best interests at heart! Doesn't jetblue retain Ford and Harrison? Are they part of the ATA? Are they not on the Airline Industrial Relations Conference? Makes you go hmmmmm...but hey, they have your interests at heart!