Are you guys owned by NWA? I thought they bought you to avoid a hostile takeover by Airtran? If so do you guys have any rights to employment at NWA/Delta?
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Originally Posted by Flyboydan
This afternoon, 9/3/08, Tim H announced the lastest screwed plans for Midwest Airlines. His major plan now, this week, is to cut down the 717s from 25 to 9 (that is not a typo). While hiring Republic to fly 12 EMB-170s to replace those 16 returned 717s. So the new fleet for "Midwest" is planned for:
9 717
12 EMB-170 (Republic)
12 CRJ-200 (SkyWest)
Ground services are already contracted out at MKE and almost all outstations. Midwest Connect RJ flying is all contracted. I think this very well may be the first attempt to run an airline with just an HQ and the rest contractors.
I don't know if it is good or bad for the Midwest or Republic pilots but it is my understanding that Midwest can convert the agreement into an aircraft lease and be operated by Midwest Airlines. Does that mean they would bring their 717 pilots back from furlough to fly the 170s?
RAH CBA doesnt allow any Republic airframe to be operated by pilots not on RAH senority list.
Yes it does, under certain provisions, and only as a dry lease arrangement. Included in those provisions is that the aircraft cannot be operated out of any city our seniority list pilots operate out of. That would limit these planes to odd midwestern city pairings and left coast destinations.
This deal appears to be within the confines of the RAH CBA, but barely. However, I believe Bedford is counting on Midwest to never take these airplanes and operate them on their own. This is a hustle, with RAH offering a shiny glimmer of hope while setting up a dark reality.
I guess some cannot see what is going on here. It is not Timothy H calling these shots. It is TPG who with NWA (soon to be DAL) owns a major minority stake in MEH. What is happening now is two fold. First, it is the first of many attempts at a run around on the DAL Section 1 scope. We will put our flight numbers on these flights as a "Code Share." Two, It solves the AAI issue in MKE by keeping MEH alive on some pathetic level, and have RJ's operate the majority of the flying. Thus, keeping these gates occupied so that AAI cannot make any case to try and make a true go of it in MKE.
Lastly, it deals with the issue of survivorship of the MEH pilot group and what will happen when the final nail is driven in to the coffin.
I assume that leaving nine 717's on the ticket allows the company to state that selling these 717 to someone (anyone) to be a financial transaction and there be no grounds for the pilots to follow them.(Ala just airplanes and not the entire airline) Sucks but it is the same thing that happened when AMR sold the 717. AMR sold the 757's to DAL. DAL sold the 767 to ABX. Needless to say there are many more, but in all instances none of the employees went with the airframes.
As I have stated the events at MEH are far from over. I love that airline. They are truly one of the few that "gets it." It is sad to see this happen. I just hope that we are all wrong and something better than this comes from it.
NWA and Delta pilots are you listening to this?????
This is why you need to put the Compass Pilots on the bottom of your combined list. This will happen to the new Delta. Call your negotiator while the seniority list is still in arbitration. Don't even mention scope, you have already changed the weight limits in your scope to allow the Emb 175. Scope is just a tool management uses to marginalize unions.
Are you guys owned by NWA? I thought they bought you to avoid a hostile takeover by Airtran? If so do you guys have any rights to employment at NWA/Delta?
Good luck!
Yes Midwest is owned by NWA and TPG. Rights to work anywhere, that is a big heck no. This whole deal is putting another 200 or so people out of a job.
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How about this: Midwest will be the first to fully convert to a corporate logo shell game.
Fair enough to say. If passengers were bailing on Midwest because they don't give a damn about the normal blue colar people, they surely will stop flying Midwest now that there will be almost no Midwest airlines. I can imagine that the remaining 9 will just be flying to MCI, BOS, LGA, ATL, LAS, PHX.
To all passengers 2x2 means nothing at Midwest anymore. The EMB-170s and CRJ-200s are factory standard in 2x2, stop buying into, which is horribly expensive now, the whole Midwest scam.
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NWA and Delta pilots are you listening to this?????
This is why you need to put the Compass Pilots on the bottom of your combined list. This will happen to the new Delta. Call your negotiator while the seniority list is still in arbitration. Don't even mention scope, you have already changed the weight limits in your scope to allow the Emb 175. Scope is just a tool management uses to marginalize unions.
The seniority list is maintained by management. We can't just add someone to the list. We could only force the issue if management decided to merge Compass in to the mainline. We could also approach management in contract negotiations about shutting down compass and merging the airline. I heard that the issue was in fact put on the table in the joint contract however it did not go anywhere with management. The weight exemption is however only for the planned aircraft at Compass. It does not apply across the board. The other issue is that if you add compass what do you do with the other owned airlines. I was at a MEC meeting many years ago where the issue of what to do with Comair and ASA was discussed in depth with reps from those airlines there. There was very strong sentiment among the Delta pilot group that we needed one airline and one list. Comair's demand that they be merged DOH or nothing netted them nothing. Their follow on furlough letter from the Comair MEC chairman became famous and is still posted in Delta pilot lounges. It has insured that there will never be much support there.
This afternoon, 9/3/08, Tim H announced the lastest screwed plans for Midwest Airlines. His major plan now, this week, is to cut down the 717s from 25 to 9 (that is not a typo). While hiring Republic to fly 12 EMB-170s to replace those 16 returned 717s.
That stinks. Furloughs most definately to follow, while Republic flies MidEx routes. Very bad, indeed. Probably the beginning of the end of Midwest.
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