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Old 09-04-2008, 07:40 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Probably the beginning of the end of Midwest.
Yes and some how will be the start to the magnificant Tim H. He will come out of this like a God, which is going to make me Puke.
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:51 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Looks like were in the 9th inning of this ball game.
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:05 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I agree that this is terrible news.


Sure some Republic guys will be saved a furlough, but ultimately the higher paid Midwest pilots will pay the price, and that is unfortunate. Midwest has been on the fritz for a while, and I think this is the first time I felt they have under a year left.


The only good I can see coming out of this whole thing is if Midwest were to exercise the option to have Midwest pilots fly the EMB-170's. That would be good for the entire industry. I am afraid that Republic pilots would try to fight that. It would be so stupid for them to fight it, but it might happen.

We can only hope...
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:39 AM   #24 (permalink)
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The catch 22 here is that MEH management gets their way. They wanted the MEH pilots to fly for RJ wages and if that happens they will get what they want.
Most of the planes will have about as many seats at the 717'a did. Difference is that they will not be true first class seats and the pilots will be working for a lot less carrying the same amount of people. Talk about taking it in the coins. This just stinks.
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:03 AM   #25 (permalink)
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The catch 22 here is that MEH management gets their way. They wanted the MEH pilots to fly for RJ wages and if that happens they will get what they want.
Most of the planes will have about as many seats at the 717'a did. Difference is that they will not be true first class seats and the pilots will be working for a lot less carrying the same amount of people. Talk about taking it in the coins. This just stinks.
Another name for the blacklist....how about right next to Frank Lorenzo.

Gee..I wonder why Tim H and Leo M. (CEOs of both Midwest Air Group Companies) didn't get their bags when they were traveling these past two weeks. **** off employees, lose your bags.
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:55 AM   #26 (permalink)
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This is why you need to put the Compass Pilots on the bottom of your combined list. This will happen to the new Delta. Call your negotiator while the seniority list is still in arbitration. Don't even mention scope, you have already changed the weight limits in your scope to allow the Emb 175. Scope is just a tool management uses to marginalize unions.
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We could also approach management in contract negotiations about shutting down compass and merging the airline.
Interesting.

I like what Republic has done. They have one seniority list flying for Republic, Mid Atlantic, Shutte America, et al. It does not matter which Certificate it is, THE list does the flying. Capturing Compass & the E170/175 need not cost a dime. Have them work under their own contract on a single list. I'd rather scope IN the flying now and fix the contract once the pilots and jets are on the property. We have a better negotiating position that way and pilots do not end up losing longevity as they step across an imaginary line.

You could not be more right about JC's effect.

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Old 09-04-2008, 12:39 PM   #27 (permalink)
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SHUT IT DOWN!! Bad News for all, Screw Managment and their games.
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Old 09-04-2008, 02:11 PM   #28 (permalink)
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SHUT IT DOWN!! Bad News for all, Screw Managment and their games.

Agreed, show these scumbags your not going to sign off on being demoted to a career regional pilot. It hurts to lose seniority and a good gig (been there), but this will never resemble what it once was.
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Old 09-04-2008, 02:26 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Agreed, show these scumbags your not going to sign off on being demoted to a career regional pilot. It hurts to lose seniority and a good gig (been there), but this will never resemble what it once was.
Let alone going from mainline payrates to regional pay! SHUT IT DOWN!! I would be shocked if people just sit back and let this happen. Those mgmt pukes are destroying the Midwest pilots lives and careers with this joke.
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I am afraid that Republic pilots would try to fight that. It would be so stupid for them to fight it, but it might happen.

We can only hope...
Fighting for the company to stick to the contract is stupid?
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