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01-30-2015, 03:04 PM
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What's the upgrade time at spirit?
01-30-2015, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by splat
What's the upgrade time at spirit?
What's third year FO pay at American? Oh yes higher than our 3rd yr ca pay. Fast upgrade is officially a moot point.
01-30-2015, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
He was/is AA. Your schedule and credit you posted seems quite nice with the new rates! Glad to see you guys got the raise you deserve
01-30-2015, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadStick
Between years 3-7 an AA FO makes more than a Spirit Captain anyway (granted that Spirit CA is crediting more, but that AA FO also has the choice to go to a widebody during that time). Again rates aren't the only thing, and as mentioned, Spirit is only now approaching negotiations. Hopefully this serves as a wakeup call to those getting a little too comfortable...
01-30-2015, 03:25 PM
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Deadstick....where did you get those payrates for American, Virgin, and Jetblue? Are any of those pilot groups actually making those rates currently? When are those rates effective for each airline?
01-30-2015, 03:27 PM
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"Working" the rules costs you a lot of QOL as a commuter. I bet more than half of the group are commuters.
With just flying my line my effective rate isn't higher as a ratio to hours flown than most of my friends at other airlines or at my last shtbag regional
With just flying my line my effective rate isn't higher as a ratio to hours flown than most of my friends at other airlines or at my last shtbag regional
01-30-2015, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Frisco FO
Deadstick....where did you get those payrates for American, Virgin, and Jetblue? Are any of those pilot groups actually making those rates currently? When are those rates effective for each airline?
Source:
AA: Ratified JCBA Group II effective Jan 1, 2016.
VA: New rates effective April 1, 2015. (MGMT's attempt to stifle the union drive?)
JB: Current APC rates which are old, compounded with a 3.5% increase as of Jan 1, 2015, and another 3.5% on Jan 1, 2016.
We all need to be looking forward.
01-30-2015, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gonyon
"Working" the rules costs you a lot of QOL as a commuter. I bet more than half of the group are commuters.
01-30-2015, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
Sometimes I wonder if having the highest pay rate affects some guys' personal happiness. Rates are fluid and in this latest round who's atop the pile has changed a few times. The time for anger or despair will come if we are presented with a sub industry standard/leading TA by our negotiating committee. We haven't had our bite at the apple yet and over half of this seniority list accepted this job under the current CBA.
I agree with you, however, in that I'd rather lag AA's rates but preserve our work rules. In a perfect world, I'd have both. Management throughout the airline industry is seeking to monetize work rules as much as possible in the latest rounds of bargaining. Ours will seek the same. Management has the cash to pay these rates and seeks 'efficiency' (Distance learning, PBS, etc).I didn't become an airline pilot to work efficiently - not by the airline management definition. So I hope we remember this conversation if we are ever presented with nice rates and a garbage contract otherwise.
I agree with you, however, in that I'd rather lag AA's rates but preserve our work rules. In a perfect world, I'd have both. Management throughout the airline industry is seeking to monetize work rules as much as possible in the latest rounds of bargaining. Ours will seek the same. Management has the cash to pay these rates and seeks 'efficiency' (Distance learning, PBS, etc).I didn't become an airline pilot to work efficiently - not by the airline management definition. So I hope we remember this conversation if we are ever presented with nice rates and a garbage contract otherwise.
01-30-2015, 07:27 PM
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I'm not sure why people thing our work rules are so amazing. Maybe compared to AA (I can't verify that) but against UAL, DAL, jetblue, and southwest it's nothing to call home about. We beat out only Virgin and Allegiant. 4 days off yes is tops but really what else? Transition? That's like a guy in a trailer thinking he's going to be a part or the 1%. It's a ****ing unicorn. I actually get it most months at my seniority but most don't and I screw my whole life schedule up because I can't plan **** the first or last week of the month because that's how I make money. It's a joke. So someone please tell me about these amazing work rules we have.
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