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Old 09-03-2014, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by A320Flyer View Post
Would that surprise you? Many pilots here have volunteered for unions positions and have been sent packing. Critical titles such as negotiator and scheduling rep are non-negotiable to them. These are appointed positions, and what matters in the end is political allegiance, friendship, or some relationship entertained during some ALPA National meeting somewhere. The Chairman proposes an appointee and (in some cases) they get "confirmed" by the captain & F/O reps. It's like Washington DC's "Spoils System." Definitely not the "Merit System." Pretty simple.
Have you done ALPA work at NK before? Inquiring minds would like to know.
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Old 09-03-2014, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex View Post
Have you done ALPA work at NK before? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Yes A 320 has been a Spirit ALPA volunteer. Safety in 2008 & 2009 IIRC.

I can verify the "Spirit ALPA doesn't want any volunteers that might disagree with the politics of the MEC" story. I have volunteered for non political open positions and was turned down . They would rather leave the position vacant than let one of us have it.

Do they wonder why they have opposition?
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Old 09-03-2014, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post
Yes A 320 has been a Spirit ALPA volunteer. Safety in 2008 & 2009 IIRC.

I can verify the "Spirit ALPA doesn't want any volunteers that might disagree with the politics of the MEC" story. I have volunteered for non political open positions and was turned down . They would rather leave the position vacant than let one of us have it.

Do they wonder why they have opposition?
I am not taking sides, I am solely curious -- how do you know you were discriminated against due to your views against the MEC? What was your experience and qualifications and what was the position you applied for?
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Old 09-03-2014, 02:18 PM
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Maybe it is time to bury the ax, Skybolt. All this started started a long time ago, 7 or 8 years ago, maybe earlier?
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Old 09-03-2014, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Balder View Post
Maybe it is time to bury the ax, Skybolt. All this started started a long time ago, 7 or 8 years ago, maybe earlier?
OK, let's see. What would constitute 'burying the ax'?
1. Don't run for office.
2. Don't question the MEC
3. Don't expect accountability
4. Don't ask about trip drops
5. Don't use message boards to discuss your politics
6. Don't try to volunteer for any positions
7. Don't apply to be an instructor.

Is that what you had in mind?
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Balder View Post
Maybe it is time to bury the ax, Skybolt. All this started started a long time ago, 7 or 8 years ago, maybe earlier?
Maybe it's time to bury the ax? What makes you think I am carrying, or swinging, an ax?

If you think I've been carrying an ax, what would you say if I did something like recall a rep, or present a resolution to dump the negotiators.

Let me help your side out a wee bit. While you guys work to assassinate my legacy, many others are working to make our union a more member friendly/member responsive association. If you think that the only thing holding us back is me, you're seriously underestimating the anger felt by a large portion of your fellow pilots. I could assume horizontal tomorrow and your problems wouldn't go away.

Take this for what it's worth, but you guys might want to try and show some positive leadership instead of fighting shadows. Because our chance of making contractual gains doesnt depend on me, it depends on whether or not you guys can unify a factured pilot group.

But I'm sure that y'all will continue to play the same old game. Go ahead, while you're worried about me, pilots that dont know either me nor you will dump both our teams. I'm OK with that.
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Orbit View Post
OK, let's see. What would constitute 'burying the ax'?
1. Don't run for office.
2. Don't question the MEC
3. Don't expect accountability
4. Don't ask about trip drops
5. Don't use message boards to discuss your politics
6. Don't try to volunteer for any positions
7. Don't apply to be an instructor.

Is that what you had in mind?
Thank You Orbit!
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Old 09-04-2014, 12:49 AM
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Give it a rest guys. We're all on the same team here. Strength in numbers..
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Old 09-04-2014, 04:24 AM
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Mark my words, several years from now, no one will be able to agree which side of this mess caused us more damage in our battle to reach parity with our peers. Two things will be for sure, it will have cost us all hundreds of thousands of dollars over the life of our careers due to delayed and lowered achievements, and Miramar will laugh at how little they had to do to make that happen.
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post
Thank You Orbit!
I guess that is a no...

However, I don't buy the list. You guys have been working against, and doing your best to undermine the SPA ALPA leadership ever since your guys HL/RG lost the FLL LEC election. What year was that?
Can you blame the SPA ALPA leadership and the pilot group as a whole for being a little suspicious of your intentions?

We know you guys have talents, and can contribute. But you can't go in with the "my way or the highway" mentality.
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