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Old 05-27-2012, 08:11 PM   #101921 (permalink)
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Does any one else have a problem with this?
What, you'd rather your E&FA department only have access to one set of numbers provided by management? I much prefer that our pilot group is supported by a team with access throughout the industry allowing them to crosscheck the data they get.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:12 PM   #101922 (permalink)
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What, you'd rather your E&FA department only have access to one set of numbers provided by management? I much prefer that our pilot group is supported by a team with access throughout the industry allowing them to crosscheck the data they get.

Its just too bad DALPA doesn't use the data to the pilots benefit.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:13 PM   #101923 (permalink)
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What, you'd rather your E&FA department only have access to one set of numbers provided by management? I much prefer that our pilot group is supported by a team with access throughout the industry allowing them to crosscheck the data they get.
You're still missing it.

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Old 05-27-2012, 08:20 PM   #101924 (permalink)
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Its just too bad DALPA doesn't use the data to the pilots benefit.
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TA vs. rates for other airlines

UPS $185.51
FDX $184.76
DAL $184.57
AMR $139.27
CAL $131.80
UAL $131.00
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:25 PM   #101925 (permalink)
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TA vs. rates for other airlines

UPS $185.51
FDX $184.76
DAL $184.57
AMR $139.27
CAL $131.80
UAL $131.00
I have come to learn, it is not only about pay rates, its also about workrules.

examples:
UPS 6.5 hr min day for a turn. With Retirement
Fedex trip touching vacation drops. With retirement
SWA premium open time - get me this and I'll shut the hell up!!!

I admit, there are some small gains in this TA, but overall, its not even a base hit.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:28 PM   #101926 (permalink)
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We are hearing 300 positions lost instantly and forever in work rule changes and maybe 250-300 early outs...all of which would be leaving in the next few years anyway, yet the 300 lost positions in work rules will last forever. Dumbest trade off in history.
We are all caught up on scope and pay, but this is a big deal in my opinion. Hope we keep this at the forefront of the discussion also.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:30 PM   #101927 (permalink)
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Hey Gang,

Does anyone know what the life span of the 88 is? I.e. when will that fateful "heavycheck" park it in the desert. I saw in section one where they get to run the 76 seaters up to 223 for 1.25 mainline narrow bodies, but didn't see anything about those 76 seaters being parked if we lose other narrow bodies. Like the 9s they'll park as soon as we get the 717s.


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I asked that very question to the Reps in the Pilot lounge and was told we were protected by the block hour ratios. Fair enough, but we did not have time to go into detail.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Are we protected if we park a whole bunch of mainline, other than 717s?

I think if mainline shrinks then DCI would also shrink but how solid is this?

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Old 05-27-2012, 08:33 PM   #101928 (permalink)
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With the productivity improvements (increased ALV, reserves flying ALV + 15, 30 day months all summer, reserves selling X days and buying SC, etc) it is quite possible that greenslips are rare/gone. It is quite possible that some pilots will now fly the same amount of block hours with a far lower W-2.

Now we can debate whether the loss of G/S's is a good or bad thing, but if the flying is done with fewer pilots at a lower effective rate....
So in other words, the reserves being able to make more coin is a bad thing. Got it.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:35 PM   #101929 (permalink)
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So in other words, the reserves being able to make more coin is a bad thing. Got it.
they should be able to make more coin if they want to, sure..but if we give scheduling the ability to force everyone to fly that much-that's a bad thing.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:35 PM   #101930 (permalink)
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Does anyone have the data as to how many SWA pilots they have vs block hours and also number of pilots vs airframes?

Also, were do we fall in comparison to them on these stats?

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