JetFlyer06

Exactly...where are the flurry of MEC emails about all the potential back issues caused by us FO's having to heave our bag into that elevated compartment???

FlyZ

I didn't want this to get missed with all the Sandy news.

Remember when we made our $100M investment in GOL? It was sold as connecting our international network to their domestic network inside Brazil. "The deal with Delta will allow Gol to sell seats on Delta's flights between Brazil and the U.S. Delta will be able to sell U.S. travelers connections to Gol's Brazilian flights."

Delta Air Buys Stake in Brazil's Gol - WSJ.com

Well, now, not so much. Here's the latest assault on our flying:

"The Brazilian carrier plans to set up a hub in the Dominican Republic capital of Santo Domingo, from which it plans to operate flights to other locations in North America...

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012...t-home-report/

Looks like they are expanding international as we cut back.

And we have nothing in our contract to prevent our flying from being given away, right?

johnso29

Looks like it will benefit us both.

Gol, which sold a 3% stake in itself to Delta Air Lines (DAL) at the end of last year, plans to take advantage of that partnership in overseas flights, Gol Chief Executive Paulo Kakinoff told Valor. The Brazilian carrier plans to set up a hub in the Dominican Republic capital of Santo Domingo, from which it plans to operate flights to other locations in North America, Valor said, citing Mr. Kakinoff. Gol can also fly its passengers to Delta's hub in Atlanta or offer Gol passengers connections on Delta flights out of Santo Domingo to other international locations, Valor said. The new flights are part of Gol's effort to increase the share of revenue it gets from international flights, which stands at 8% currently, Valor said. The newspaper didn't say how much revenue Gol seeks to get from international flights.

LeineLodge

Yes we do. Go read Section 1 before you start losing sleep. Codeshare restrictions were tightened up in C2012. It's far from perfect, but better than what we had

Roadkill

Yeah, great... looks like a shafting to me. 5% of my bid package and 10% of what flowed down to me was flights to SDQ from JFK and ATL. We already were abdicating SJU almost to JetBlue, now we've got a "partner" setting up a HUB there... I'm sure we're going to compete like hell to keep that revenue and drive them out of the market, crush them back, amirite?

forgot to bid

fine. here is one from tonight...

sailingfun

We are cutting back flying in South America? When was this announced? I understand we are growing there and will bring in more new flights in the next 18 months. I totally missed the cut back announcement.

LeineLodge

Applicable portions of the PWA below. While this sucks, it does limit what they are able to do. The thinking is if the company can sell more than 75 seats then we would do it ourself (does that # sound familiar like less than a full 76 seater??) if not then they can share the flight with someone else and pull whatever revenue they can sell. Great from a business perspective, not so much for us.


2. Without the consent of the Delta MEC, neither the Company nor any Company affiliate
36 will enter into or maintain an agreement or arrangement with any foreign air carrier
37 performing international partner flying that permits the Company or any Company
38 affiliate to book or ticket under the Company’s or Company affiliate’s designator code,
39 reserve, block, and/or purchase for resale:
40 a. more than 40% of the passenger seats in any month on any pair of flight segments in
41 a city pair (e.g., CDG-ATL-CDG) of such foreign air carrier,
42 b. a monthly average of more than 175 passenger seats per flight segment (e.g., CDG-
43 ATL or ATL-CDG) of such foreign air carrier to and from destinations other than
44 Mexico, the Caribbean, Canada or Central America, or
45 c. a monthly average of more than 75 passenger seats per flight segment of such foreign
46 air carrier to and from Mexico, the Caribbean, Canada or Central America,

FlyZ

Well, it depends on the definition of "we". I've learned that in management's eyes, "we" means Delta, or Delta Connection, or Alaska, or Air France, or any domestic or foreign airline that is or would like to become part of Delta's ticket brokering business. As long as you will add to Delta's bottom line,"Welcome aboard, and here's some flying to get you started."

So using that definition, I guess "we" are growing, somewhere. The AE's sure don't show it, though. At least at Delta mainline, where I work.

(Well, actually, I thought I worked at mainline, until RA told the investors that 76 seaters are mainline jets. Are those coming out on the next AE? And if not, how is that not intentional misleading during a briefing regulated by the SEC?)

80ktsClamp

It's my understanding that mainline metal to LA/SA is going to be up around 1% next year.