Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
In other news, American reported it has no other plan to exit bankruptcy and will need to start over with creation of a stand alone plan then negotiate with creditors and the Courts if their merger with US is quashed. They estimate that process would take another 2 and 1/2 years. They pulled about 1.5% capacity down starting this fall.
Plane Business Banter put out the analysis created by Brett Snyder outside their paywall .... executive summary ....The DOJ says they relied on an outside consultant for their analysis and is claiming "work privilege" to keep their data away from public scrutiny.
By Popular Demand: PlaneBusiness Analysis Of GAO Report on American Airlines-US Airways Merger | PlaneBuzz
IMHO it appears the DOJ failed to consider what happens to American without the merger and made erroneous assumptions based on growth faries and financing from the sale of unicorn tears.
Plane Business Banter put out the analysis created by Brett Snyder outside their paywall .... executive summary ....The DOJ says they relied on an outside consultant for their analysis and is claiming "work privilege" to keep their data away from public scrutiny.
By Popular Demand: PlaneBusiness Analysis Of GAO Report on American Airlines-US Airways Merger | PlaneBuzz
IMHO it appears the DOJ failed to consider what happens to American without the merger and made erroneous assumptions based on growth faries and financing from the sale of unicorn tears.
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I think for Delta, pilots flying the 76 seater routes with mainline 717s has finally become economical and will continue to be so for the near future. The real reason is the anticipated turnover. As we start retiring 400-800 pilots a year, the turnover on the smaller fleet will be tremendous. And thereby allowing the cost of operating the 717 to be low. Of course that is assuming people will progress off the 717 to larger airframes.
AA got pay bumps in their concessionary contract that jump on up closer to ours (and eventually pass us), so the laggard will still be US. You can bet your paycheck they sure won't be raising the bar by themselves by then...and probably will be working under the same payrates as they have for the last 9 or whatever it is years. USAPA: the ostrich with its head in the sand of pilot unions.
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We can agree to disagree. I'm ok with that.
I won't be ok if there isn't a visible effort by every pilot to vote and support the new batch of reps for C2015 and hold those reps to the standard that the majority of pilots desire. That means showing up for meetings and events, wearing their ALPA pin or lanyard, getting rid of all the DPA stickers/pins/lanyards/bagtags. Every pilot who makes a public display showing they are not unified behind the people they elected, the less leverage and resolve the Company thinks we have. I know you are a supporter albeit a frustrated one, but we need pilots to realize that unity will be necessary to keep climbing the road to restoration.
*There were ALPA reps referencing my posts on APC?
I won't be ok if there isn't a visible effort by every pilot to vote and support the new batch of reps for C2015 and hold those reps to the standard that the majority of pilots desire. That means showing up for meetings and events, wearing their ALPA pin or lanyard, getting rid of all the DPA stickers/pins/lanyards/bagtags. Every pilot who makes a public display showing they are not unified behind the people they elected, the less leverage and resolve the Company thinks we have. I know you are a supporter albeit a frustrated one, but we need pilots to realize that unity will be necessary to keep climbing the road to restoration.
*There were ALPA reps referencing my posts on APC?
I openly support ALPA and encourage getting involved when I'm out on the line, but one reality you're going to have to deal with in your second part is that right at half the pilot group (above half of active pilots) has put in a DPA card. Apparently most of those things have been renewed.
This is in no small part to the many missteps that have been made, particularly with the C2012 effort. That alone was worth about 800 cards immediately afterward. ALPA, should they want to remain our bargaining agent, is going to have to seriously look at the way they do things, how they take line pilot input, and how they take ALPA national lawyer input if they want to stop that train coming down the tracks.
The blood is on many of your alpa predecesors' hands, but its up to the current regime to fix. Get on it!
I don't care what the opening integer is. I evaluate as purely as I can(we all have inherent bias) based on the calculated economic/goodwill leverage the union has in a given situation. The Company was in an "ok" situation a year ago and I think our peers had done little to nothing to raise the bar around us, everyone(sans SWA) was lagging our deal by a good bit.... Thus we got an "ok" contract.
Come 2015 openers we will expect to have a company going "great", and our peers will have finally bolstered the comparative levels of compensation by large strides...That bodes well for a "great" contract.
Let's hope the LCC/AMR goes through, having top scale A320A's making the same as a DAL 7ERB on 4th year pay, and top scale E190A's making the same as a DAL 4th year M88B makes it hard to pattern up.
That's good to hear. I was under the impression their pay bumps were based on exiting BK and the merger. Are you saying they are definitely getting pay that eventually passes us even if they are still in BK?
You're thinking of the LOA with US. There was a concessionary agreement reached late last year/early this year that locked in similar payrates to the US LOA.
Fair enough. I know we won't agree, but I appreciate the good exchange.
I openly support ALPA and encourage getting involved when I'm out on the line, but one reality you're going to have to deal with in your second part is that right at half the pilot group (above half of active pilots) has put in a DPA card. Apparently most of those things have been renewed.
This is in no small part to the many missteps that have been made, particularly with the C2012 effort. That alone was worth about 800 cards immediately afterward. ALPA, should they want to remain our bargaining agent, is going to have to seriously look at the way they do things, how they take line pilot input, and how they take ALPA national lawyer input if they want to stop that train coming down the tracks.
The blood is on many of your alpa predecesors' hands, but its up to the current regime to fix. Get on it!
I openly support ALPA and encourage getting involved when I'm out on the line, but one reality you're going to have to deal with in your second part is that right at half the pilot group (above half of active pilots) has put in a DPA card. Apparently most of those things have been renewed.
This is in no small part to the many missteps that have been made, particularly with the C2012 effort. That alone was worth about 800 cards immediately afterward. ALPA, should they want to remain our bargaining agent, is going to have to seriously look at the way they do things, how they take line pilot input, and how they take ALPA national lawyer input if they want to stop that train coming down the tracks.
The blood is on many of your alpa predecesors' hands, but its up to the current regime to fix. Get on it!
The blood is on the hands of the members (of which we both are and have responsibility to each other)! They vote for the reps and the agreements.... If pilots do not take the time to make sure they have elected quality people to represent them(and recall them if they don't), and then don't take the time to evaluate and vote accordingly then it isn't the acronym's fault!
There are too many pilots who say one thing and expect something different in reality. It's not practical or reasonable to say "you better hit my lofty expectations" while openly doing things that submarine the efforts to meet those expectations and later complaining that your expectations weren't met.
Having lots of pilots around with stickers and bag tags that basically say "MY NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME" hurts our leverage and reduces the amount of gains the NC is able to secure for the pilot group. It hurts us collectively and potentially takes money out of OUR pocket. I'm just sick and tired of the DPA's divisive actions, deceit, and outright lies.
If that is what you told him, you need to go back and correct this misinformation. Delta had UNLIMITED 70 seaters in 1990. Unlimited. And the line stayed at 70 until bankruptcy, where it went to 76. So, in reality, our scope section on 70 seaters is much TIGHTER than it was 20 years ago, and the line has only moved 6 seats in 23 years. At that rate, the regionals might see 100 seaters in another 100 years...
- An increase of DCI/outsourced seating beyond 76 seats per jet, or
- An increase in the size of the 71+ seat fleet to 226 or more jets,
- An increase in the size of the 51-70 seat fleet to 103 or more jets, or
- An increase in the total 51+ seat fleet to 326 or more jets.
So to recap, I'll HAPPILY pay $100 if not any one of those four points is put up for memrat. And if any one of those happens to be in there- I'll pay anyways since it's a good charity. But you have to give to the DPCF and admit why.
the AA rates will be roughly 12-15% below DAL DEC2012 at signing, and then they will increase 2%/yr until year 5 when they will be averaged against the other large passenger carriers, and then 2% for years 6 and 7.
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