1. On October 30, 2008, you received an approximate 10% raise while I got zip.
2. Everyone kept their DC as was previously negotiated by their individual pilot groups.
3. As part of the JCBA, everyone will get the same increases for several years, then in 2012 you get an additional 3% DC raise, while I'll get zip.
And YOU'RE complaining?
Okay, you're uneducated.
My upgrade went from approximately 5 years to 10 years. A massive pay cut for 5 years on either contract. 10% of the NWA list has left in 2 years, what fraction of the DAL list has?
I gained a 9% hourly raise and a 7% reduction in guarantee hours for a net 2% raise. So no, not a 10% raise.
Work with facts and we can have a more constructive discussion.
The 3% difference in retirement is small change compared to the ongoing funding requirements to maintain the NWA frozen pension. No Delta S pilot will share in the money that has to go into that account yet after 2012 everyone gets the same DC. Is that fair? There are dozens of areas in the joint contract where you can find inequities on both sides. Get over it. The JCBA is long done and ratified. Start planning on how to fill out your contract survey for 2012.
The 3% difference in retirement is small change compared to the ongoing funding requirements to maintain the NWA frozen pension. No Delta S pilot will share in the money that has to go into that account yet after 2012 everyone gets the same DC. Is that fair? There are dozens of areas in the joint contract where you can find inequities on both sides. Get over it. The JCBA is long done and ratified. Start planning on how to fill out your contract survey for 2012.
He'll be too busy complaining about how he got "screwed" in the merger!
Funny, what was the votes for/against the JCBA?
The 3% difference in retirement is small change compared to the ongoing funding requirements to maintain the NWA frozen pension. No Delta S pilot will share in the money that has to go into that account yet after 2012 everyone gets the same DC. Is that fair? There are dozens of areas in the joint contract where you can find inequities on both sides. Get over it. The JCBA is long done and ratified. Start planning on how to fill out your contract survey for 2012.
Like most pilots you obviously don't fully comprehend compounding interest. While 3% sounds like a small number we're talking a SIX figure difference in final retirement savings based on average returns.
I can comprehend why you think paying fNWA pilots with frozen pensions 3% less to make up for their frozen pension payments. Why do you think it's fair to pay fNWA pilots who don't have frozen pensions 3% less?
So if we were to hire, you're saying new hires deserve a better retirement plan than post 9/11 fNWA pilots?
He'll be too busy complaining about how he got "screwed" in the merger!
Funny, what was the votes for/against the JCBA?
I agree that we should ALL move on, but the guys that got hosed on the longevity raises were JR DAL-N guys on probation that couldn't even vote on the JCBA. We are once again being punished to help the senior guys.
I agree that we should ALL move on, but the guys that got hosed on the longevity raises were JR DAL-N guys on probation that couldn't even vote on the JCBA. We are once again being punished to help the senior guys.
That's why it's so interesting to see the comments. Some of these guys proclaim to be looking out for the whole pilot group, then you see their true colors.
They would probably answer that the fNWA pilots had a much better deal in February 2008. They passed it up so they could have their arbitration. That had costs and now you are paying those costs. Nothing in life is free, I hope it was worth it. There is not too much sympathy in the south, because it cost us 2% in pay for 4 years. Say "no" and it will always get better, right? Oh wait, sometimes it gets worse.
Puh-leeze. In my seniority I would have been 800 numbers lower than I am under the 08 "offer", and still 700 lower than DOH. With the limited credit for retirements and the better number I imagine most fNWA pilots faired far better under the arbitration.
So if we were to hire, you're saying new hires deserve a better retirement plan than post 9/11 fNWA pilots?
You've got exactly what you brought to the table. It takes money to bring you up in every area. You could always just quit and attempt to get rehired. IF Delta hired you, you'd get their longevity and DC rules.
I agree that we should ALL move on, but the guys that got hosed on the longevity raises were JR DAL-N guys on probation that couldn't even vote on the JCBA. We are once again being punished to help the senior guys.
I don't recall the exact numbers, but didn't the JCBA pass by an overwhelming margin on the north side? 80-90% voted yes, as I recall. The probationary pilots could not have altered the outcome, even if they voted "no" as a bloc.
In fact, given the lopsided nature of the vote, it's tough to make the argument that anyone got thrown under the bus--
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