Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-16-2014, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
it certainly looks like it will implode.
two things (of many I am sure) that could happen:
a) we are asked to give it another lifeline,
or
b) we are asked to give up something big in exchange for a scope recapture that was going to happen anyways.
i guess we will just wait and see but if the implosion happens prior to C2015 that would help.
two things (of many I am sure) that could happen:
a) we are asked to give it another lifeline,
or
b) we are asked to give up something big in exchange for a scope recapture that was going to happen anyways.
i guess we will just wait and see but if the implosion happens prior to C2015 that would help.
Secondly, I'm not willing to give up squat so that leaves your B out.
Your A would probably be the most likely. Let's face it, we all know what the pilot group is in general (and it sounds the same as HO). If the company wants to throw enough money at us, you know they will get what they want.
I just don't see how the Regionals are going to be able to staff the aircraft they will have any where near proper levels within the next 5 years or possibly sooner.
Denny
04-16-2014, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by index
You left out the third (and more likely) option.
Both a and b above.
And DALPA will tell us it's good for us.
Both a and b above.
And DALPA will tell us it's good for us.
04-16-2014, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
it certainly looks like it will implode.
two things (of many I am sure) that could happen:
a) we are asked to give it another lifeline,
or
b) we are asked to give up something big in exchange for a scope recapture that was going to happen anyways.
i guess we will just wait and see but if the implosion happens prior to C2015 that would help.
two things (of many I am sure) that could happen:
a) we are asked to give it another lifeline,
or
b) we are asked to give up something big in exchange for a scope recapture that was going to happen anyways.
i guess we will just wait and see but if the implosion happens prior to C2015 that would help.
Let it collapse under its' own weight, and we'll negotiate better things.
04-16-2014, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The implosion is on purpose, since Delta has the full ability to fix the issue with the stroke of a pen. The question then turns to the "why"?
If nothing is done, at Endeavor's current attrition rate, we will cease operations starting in the fall of 2015 to the summer of 2016.
If nothing is done, at Endeavor's current attrition rate, we will cease operations starting in the fall of 2015 to the summer of 2016.
04-16-2014, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
First of all, yes it would be better if they imploded before C2015 but we all know that's not likely to happen.
Secondly, I'm not willing to give up squat so that leaves your B out.
Your A would probably be the most likely. Let's face it, we all know what the pilot group is in general (and it sounds the same as HO). If the company wants to throw enough money at us, you know they will get what they want.
I just don't see how the Regionals are going to be able to staff the aircraft they will have any where near proper levels within the next 5 years or possibly sooner.
Denny
Secondly, I'm not willing to give up squat so that leaves your B out.
Your A would probably be the most likely. Let's face it, we all know what the pilot group is in general (and it sounds the same as HO). If the company wants to throw enough money at us, you know they will get what they want.
I just don't see how the Regionals are going to be able to staff the aircraft they will have any where near proper levels within the next 5 years or possibly sooner.
Denny
04-16-2014, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
First of all, yes it would be better if they imploded before C2015 but we all know that's not likely to happen.
Secondly, I'm not willing to give up squat so that leaves your B out.
Your A would probably be the most likely. Let's face it, we all know what the pilot group is in general (and it sounds the same as HO). If the company wants to throw enough money at us, you know they will get what they want.
I just don't see how the Regionals are going to be able to staff the aircraft they will have any where near proper levels within the next 5 years or possibly sooner.
Denny
Secondly, I'm not willing to give up squat so that leaves your B out.
Your A would probably be the most likely. Let's face it, we all know what the pilot group is in general (and it sounds the same as HO). If the company wants to throw enough money at us, you know they will get what they want.
I just don't see how the Regionals are going to be able to staff the aircraft they will have any where near proper levels within the next 5 years or possibly sooner.
Denny
you know the more I hear the more I think a collapse, as in painfully obvious schedule fail, will happen before we do TA2015.
Originally Posted by tsquare
Basically both your scenarios say the same thing. And I believe even the most ardent Kool Aid drinkers believe that won't fly.
Let it collapse under its' own weight, and we'll negotiate better things.
Let it collapse under its' own weight, and we'll negotiate better things.
04-16-2014, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
OK... so what's your theory then?
04-16-2014, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
How far off base am I in believing both were pretty horribly managed employers, who only found what little success has come their way by transferring money from the employees paychecks to their own?
I argue the point of the USAir east pilots (which is different from the side of the USAir east pilots), because I find their position the most objective, and not because my wife is one of them. It's really that simple. Her involvement has merely provided the means for insight on my part, the intelligence of which you can all debate once I go into self-banishment at the end of this post.
Stop defining a career involving mismanagement by management, defined as 1 day in a seniority list integration, and which pits pilot against pilot in a knock down/drag out brawl using subjective information during a seniority list integration. The effects are disastrous.
PUBLIC APOLOGY NOTICE!!!
I owe one to NERD, who indeed didn't mention pilots in his initial post. Lack of reading and comprehension on my part led to the subsequent posts. My bad.
Self banishment: start
04-16-2014, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Management wants something from the government is my theory.
04-16-2014, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
it certainly looks like it will implode.
two things (of many I am sure) that could happen:
a) we are asked to give it another lifeline,
or
b) we are asked to give up something big in exchange for a scope recapture that was going to happen anyways.
i guess we will just wait and see but if the implosion happens prior to C2015 that would help.
two things (of many I am sure) that could happen:
a) we are asked to give it another lifeline,
or
b) we are asked to give up something big in exchange for a scope recapture that was going to happen anyways.
i guess we will just wait and see but if the implosion happens prior to C2015 that would help.
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