Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-11-2014, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gnewt
Pardon the interuption here.........I have a long nonrev sit with my family in LAX tomorrow. Anyone know if I can escort them down to the pilot lounge, or is that forbiden. Thanks.........carry on
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Otherwise, ride the Hacienda bus (hotel pickup) to the sepulveda area and there are some good restaurants a block south and across the street. I suggest Rubios for the best Baha Mexican food available, again worth the effort if you have more than a few hours.
07-11-2014, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
If I misunderstood your initial post. I apologize. (Not "spring loaded to argue with the "PD." 
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I included an excerpt from your original post below. This is the part that I took as meaning, "if the company fails to see how important we are, we will SHOW THEM." Maybe I read too much into it? (On my third tumbler of Glen Livet!)
I agree with your assertion, "show me the money!"
)I included an excerpt from your original post below. This is the part that I took as meaning, "if the company fails to see how important we are, we will SHOW THEM." Maybe I read too much into it? (On my third tumbler of Glen Livet!)
I agree with your assertion, "show me the money!"
CHEERS!All: Have a nice weekend!
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07-11-2014, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
I do not disagree with you. The (high) morale of any "unit" has implications on said unit's success; likewise, (low) morale has negative affect on the operation. Again, I am not arguing with your correlation between morale and (unit) success.
With that being said, many moons ago, when I was a young officer in the Army it was instilled in us the required tenets of an Army Officer(leader). These included, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness, Honor, Integrity and Professionalism (Acronym: LDRSHIP).
You asked me if I thought a "professional is expected to go above and beyond?" In reality, each person's glass has varying levels of fullness depending on their thirst. Does that make sense?(no sarcasm intended) One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer.
Standing by for incoming.
With that being said, many moons ago, when I was a young officer in the Army it was instilled in us the required tenets of an Army Officer(leader). These included, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness, Honor, Integrity and Professionalism (Acronym: LDRSHIP).
You asked me if I thought a "professional is expected to go above and beyond?" In reality, each person's glass has varying levels of fullness depending on their thirst. Does that make sense?(no sarcasm intended) One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer.
Standing by for incoming.
No incoming needed - solid post.
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07-11-2014, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
I am saying, if you choose to go "above and beyond" now, but after six months of C2015 negotiations, choose not to do the same exact thing, because you're upset at the company for taking too long in negotiations, then the poor intent - in my mind - leads to an act of unprofessionalism.
"One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer."
So, how would you categorize a scenario where our union asks us to informational picket, knowing that such actions would compromise advanced bookings?
Last edited by TheManager; 07-11-2014 at 08:28 PM.
07-11-2014, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
You wrote:
"One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer."
So, how would you categorize a scenario where our union asks us to informational picket, knowing that such actions would compromise advanced bookings?
"One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer."
So, how would you categorize a scenario where our union asks us to informational picket, knowing that such actions would compromise advanced bookings?
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07-11-2014, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
What you might call (sic.) "adding intellectual relevance" to the discussion, I characterize it as a red herring, straw man, idiotic argument into which I will not venture, because it is meaningless and, well... idiotic. But, if you reread my post I pretty much agreed that virtually nobody had that on their survey. So I answered your stupid question. Now go right ahead and spin it into something it isn't.
It was a question only, and rhetorical at that.
Do you SERIOUSLY think the that the majority opinion on the surveys for C12k reflected a desire to forgo and give up a large portion of profit sharing and 4-8-3-3 for pay raises?
A rhetorical question is a question that you ask without expecting an answer. The question might be one that does not have an answer. It might also be one that has an obvious answer but you have asked the question to make a point, to persuade or for literary effect.
I asked that question as a lead in or set up to the next question, which you chose not to answer as I believe you have nothing relevant to submit. That question is as follows:
How do we get an accurate survey with 100 percent participation and then attain our collective goals?
I know you are a staunch advocate of LBP (longevity based pay) or otherwise known as seat pay. You have touted that here every now and then.
However, since you once again were completely condescending in your following post to a fellow poster, I wanted to see if you had anything of relevance to add, such as your previous LGP posts, or were just going to keep on mud slinging and launching your belittling personal attacks, Mr. Line Check Airman.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I can complain as much as I want. That's what being a dues paying member gets me. I will vote no to the contract if it does not meet my expectations (it won't). I don't see the benefit to filling out a survey that our union is just going to ignore anyway.
Do you SERIOUSLY think they just flat out ignored it? Or do you not want to accept that maybe you are not of a majority opinion?
T's eloquent response:
If you believe they ignored it for some black helicopter desire to screw everyone including themselves in the process, well that is a really pathetic view of those working on our behalf. And if that's truly the case, I hope you don't participate, we don't need garbage stats junking up the data.
07-11-2014, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
I do not disagree with you. The (high) morale of any "unit" has implications on said unit's success; likewise, (low) morale has negative affect on the operation. Again, I am not arguing with your correlation between morale and (unit) success.
With that being said, many moons ago, when I was a young officer in the Army it was instilled in us the required tenets of an Army Officer(leader). These included, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness, Honor, Integrity and Professionalism (Acronym: LDRSHIP).
You asked me if I thought a "professional is expected to go above and beyond?" In reality, each person's glass has varying levels of fullness depending on their thirst. Does that make sense?(no sarcasm intended) One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer.
Standing by for incoming.
With that being said, many moons ago, when I was a young officer in the Army it was instilled in us the required tenets of an Army Officer(leader). These included, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness, Honor, Integrity and Professionalism (Acronym: LDRSHIP).
You asked me if I thought a "professional is expected to go above and beyond?" In reality, each person's glass has varying levels of fullness depending on their thirst. Does that make sense?(no sarcasm intended) One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer.
Standing by for incoming.
07-11-2014, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I thought it was a good post, FWIW. It's amazing when you quantitize how much money we save the company every day by going above and beyond.
07-11-2014, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I thought it was a good post, FWIW. It's amazing when you quantitize how much money we save the company every day by going above and beyond.
07-12-2014, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
With all of the metrics, APU useage, pushback D-0, etc, stuff that we do daily, I bet our company could track this. Recently, we were flying a LAX-CUN-MSP day. We were right up against the max duty day because CUN was all balled up. We worked with the dispatcher very proactively and made it work just barely. That's a metric I would like to see tracked.
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