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Old 10-22-2014, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135 View Post
Yes--but it doesn't tell you (so far as I can see) who the LCAs are, which is what you would need mid-period to ID a juicy trip like the one I unknowingly swapped for with the pot (then got bought out of it).
Gotcha... Sorry, I thought you were talking about initial bidding. When you look at an open time trip in iCrew, if the A is an LCA, it should be noted by his name.
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Old 10-22-2014, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135 View Post
Yes--but it doesn't tell you (so far as I can see) who the LCAs are, which is what you would need mid-period to ID a juicy trip like the one I unknowingly swapped for with the pot (then got bought out of it).
Dude, you're sharp shooting way to early in your career. You're gonna waste a lot of valuable oxygen. You got lucky. Why don't you concentrate on probation and consolidation?

The only way to know who the LCAs are is to see LCA by their name on a rotation. And that doesn't guarantee it's an OE.

This is the entitlement philosophy that I abhor. Do your job first. If you must, game the system later. How long have you been on property Juggy?
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Old 10-22-2014, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog View Post
There is a PBS command to AWARD/AVOID parings if Line Check Airmen? Does that not do the same thing? (Not a PBS guru by any stretch of the imagination...)
Nk it doesn't give you employee numbers. It will AWARD/AVOID but it won't identify. Just like if you want to NO FLY a guy, you have to look up his number.
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Old 10-22-2014, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135 View Post
Is that due to his contract brilliance, or right-place/right-time? There simply don't seem to be many (if any) GS for the 717B crowd. With the amount of reserve coverage in place, IROPS or last-minute changes seem to be the only time they crop up from what little I've seen. No predicting the IROPS, and last-minute is (will be) a challenge for me as a commuter....

I'm happy to be wrong--is there something I can/should do to improve my chances of joining the GS fraternity??
That's always been a problem for commuters. I have been commuting for 18 years, and I've never flown a greenslip. They usually come at the least opportune time, like an hour after the last flight to ATL has left MCO.

I got called for an inverse assignment (same 2X pay) last fall, at 10pm, on a Sunday night while I was watching the NFL playoffs and drinking beer. She wanted me in ATL in two hours to fly 16 hours to Johannesburg.

When I got done laughing I told her I didn't think I was her guy, keep looking. I guess they never did find anyone sober that night and cancelled the flight.

Or they come on holidays, and since I've had 4 kids, I NEVER would answer the phone Dec. 23-26, or the Monday-Weds. prior to Thanksgiving.

There are some things more important than money.

My favorite trips are the IOE's, where you stay home and get paid. Much more cost/time off effective than flying overtime. But for the poor souls who have to live in PTC, at least they can make some extra money flying extra days. I don't think I want to live that close to my work. As one senior Capt. said to me long ago, "The problem with Green Slips is...you have to show up and fly them!"

What we ALL should be doing is, Green Slip With Conflict only!

That way, you don't have to work 'extra' days to still get GS pay.
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Old 10-22-2014, 08:11 PM
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What we ALL should be doing is, Green Slip With Conflict only!
This ^^^^ (in an ideal world!).
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Old 10-22-2014, 09:46 PM
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Besides, at your seniority, that's probably not gonna happen again anytime soon. I'm at 13+ years and I've been bought off one trip in my career. That's a senior guys game.
I'm not so sure about that.

If you just put in Award trips with LCA and have no other restrictions you will get trips with them even if you are junior. It's still a crapshoot because they obviously don't do OE all the time so you might end up flying with them. I've had 2 trips bought in the last 2 months and got ALL my trips in November with LCA. Some LCA are junior and get horrible trips over the weekends that no senior FO's will bid.

The bad part about playing the LCA game is if it is a crappy trip you won't swap it because you hope they will buy it, when they don't buy it you end up flying a crappy trip with a LCA. (90% of them in SLC are awesome though)
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Old 10-22-2014, 11:24 PM
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I'm not so sure about that.

If you just put in Award trips with LCA and have no other restrictions you will get trips with them even if you are junior. It's still a crapshoot because they obviously don't do OE all the time so you might end up flying with them. I've had 2 trips bought in the last 2 months and got ALL my trips in November with LCA. Some LCA are junior and get horrible trips over the weekends that no senior FO's will bid.

The bad part about playing the LCA game is if it is a crappy trip you won't swap it because you hope they will buy it, when they don't buy it you end up flying a crappy trip with a LCA. (90% of them in SLC are awesome though)
Which are the 10% who aren't awesome?
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Old 10-23-2014, 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy View Post
I'm not so sure about that.

If you just put in Award trips with LCA and have no other restrictions you will get trips with them even if you are junior. It's still a crapshoot because they obviously don't do OE all the time so you might end up flying with them. I've had 2 trips bought in the last 2 months and got ALL my trips in November with LCA. Some LCA are junior and get horrible trips over the weekends that no senior FO's will bid.

The bad part about playing the LCA game is if it is a crappy trip you won't swap it because you hope they will buy it, when they don't buy it you end up flying a crappy trip with a LCA. (90% of them in SLC are awesome though)
Before a OE scheduler can remove a pilot from a trip they have bid, they have to call them and ask if it is OK. It is hard to believe but occasionally the pilot will say no, they want to fly their trip. Never did understand that.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:20 AM
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A Delta 757 clipped wings in MSP with a commuter E175.

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Old 10-23-2014, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream View Post
I think the most important source to learn is the actual contract. As I wrote, start with section 23... know it forwards and backwards... then ask what-ifs when you fly with someone who knows what they're doing.

Most guys just get their pbs bid and that's it... after I get my award, that's when my real work begins... drops, swaps, flips, flops, etc. (Of course I've already set myself up for that work with my initial pbs bid.)

I heavily use widget works: including trip alerts, and easy swap... and that's all I'm going to give out on a public board... as a mid seniority 7ER Capt, I have to protect my artificial seniority!

I do give the full coarse when I fly with someone who wants to learn the system.

Good luck!
Start with part that describes how to compute the RAW score. Then do an example using your own schedule. You should be able to compute this in less than a minute.
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