Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-22-2014, 10:15 PM
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Sounds like the rumor mill is lighting up with a bunch of simultaneous contractual outrages. Probably mostly or all "throw aways" as I don't see us falling for any of the big ones. Or maybe they float 4 outrages and "settle" for one. Shirly we wouldn't be that easy though. Worth remaining vigilant and pulling the panic cord if any of them are true of course. Add to the outrages the usual suspects like scope relief (more large RJ's, even larger RJ's, code sharing with regionals in super large RJ's, redefining block time, etc).
Gotta watch them though. Always.
Gotta watch them though. Always.
12-22-2014, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Sounds like the rumor mill is lighting up with a bunch of simultaneous contractual outrages. Probably mostly or all "throw aways" as I don't see us falling for any of the big ones. Or maybe they float 4 outrages and "settle" for one. Shirly we wouldn't be that easy though. Worth remaining vigilant and pulling the panic cord if any of them are true of course. Add to the outrages the usual suspects like scope relief (more large RJ's, even larger RJ's, code sharing with regionals in super large RJ's, redefining block time, etc).
Gotta watch them though. Always.
Gotta watch them though. Always.
More freezes? We already have the longest freezes of the legacy carriers. I've doubted that one from the get go. If anyone tells you we have the highest training costs in the industry, that is BS. UA (even with their pay banding....I'm looking at you, Jerry) is the runaway winner with that and their very lenient freezes for moving up.
Sick leave change? yeah... the company is going to want something in that arena, though.
12-23-2014, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Sounds like the rumor mill is lighting up with a bunch of simultaneous contractual outrages. Probably mostly or all "throw aways" as I don't see us falling for any of the big ones. Or maybe they float 4 outrages and "settle" for one. Shirly we wouldn't be that easy though. Worth remaining vigilant and pulling the panic cord if any of them are true of course. Add to the outrages the usual suspects like scope relief (more large RJ's, even larger RJ's, code sharing with regionals in super large RJ's, redefining block time, etc).
Gotta watch them though. Always.
Gotta watch them though. Always.
Everyone please, just stop the crazy. There is nothing "on the table" and there won't be an exchange of openers until April.
"I heard", "I talked to....", yadda, yadda, yadda. Stop.
When in doubt, contact a Rep from your base.
12-23-2014, 03:05 AM
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Min skd
Alot of pilots over 60 year hang on because of the min skd option. How does this help the wave of retirements about to occur? This is a major QOL issue.
12-23-2014, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Thanks Gloopy, beat me to it.
Everyone please, just stop the crazy. There is nothing "on the table" and there won't be an exchange of openers until April.
"I heard", "I talked to....", yadda, yadda, yadda. Stop.
When in doubt, contact a Rep from your base.
Everyone please, just stop the crazy. There is nothing "on the table" and there won't be an exchange of openers until April.
"I heard", "I talked to....", yadda, yadda, yadda. Stop.
When in doubt, contact a Rep from your base.
I have no doubt the above rumors are orchestrated trial balloons floated by ALPA and/or the company to gauge our sentiment.
As gloopy and 80 stated, there could also be an element of "saturation bombing" to get us to accept one of those stinkers and feel lucky we avoided the rest.
No concessions, period. Why won't ALPA state some basic goals?
12-23-2014, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Thanks Gloopy, beat me to it.
Everyone please, just stop the crazy. There is nothing "on the table" and there won't be an exchange of openers until April.
"I heard", "I talked to....", yadda, yadda, yadda. Stop.
When in doubt, contact a Rep from your base.
Everyone please, just stop the crazy. There is nothing "on the table" and there won't be an exchange of openers until April.
"I heard", "I talked to....", yadda, yadda, yadda. Stop.
When in doubt, contact a Rep from your base.
12-23-2014, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Hmmm....didn't know that. Guess I should really read that book. I've had supp vac days the last 2 years now and I know 2 years ago scheduling told me I couldn't use them to drop stuff in Jan that I had to use them as vacation days. Good to know, I've got 2 right now that will be dropping something in Jan.
Those PB days are worth way more to drop stuff than to use as vacation days.
Those PB days are worth way more to drop stuff than to use as vacation days.
12-23-2014, 04:38 AM
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8 PDs/year from our sick bank, and no change to our current sick policy. That leaves them two 4 day trips per year that the attendance police won't have to scrutinize. Problem solved as sick leave use is cut in half!
12-23-2014, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
You are an ALPA insider. You obviously know that plenty of posturing and behind-the-scenes stage-setting is occurring between ALPA and the company right now outside the Section 6 timeline (and very probably without consulting LEC reps). For you to claim otherwise is just silly
I have no doubt the above rumors are orchestrated trial balloons floated by ALPA and/or the company to gauge our sentiment.
As gloopy and 80 stated, there could also be an element of "saturation bombing" to get us to accept one of those stinkers and feel lucky we avoided the rest.
No concessions, period. Why won't ALPA state some basic goals?
I have no doubt the above rumors are orchestrated trial balloons floated by ALPA and/or the company to gauge our sentiment.
As gloopy and 80 stated, there could also be an element of "saturation bombing" to get us to accept one of those stinkers and feel lucky we avoided the rest.
No concessions, period. Why won't ALPA state some basic goals?
12-23-2014, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I have talked with quite a few people involved as reps or volunteers. Not a single one is aware of any posturing or trial balloons being put out by the company concerning the contract. No back channel talks and in fact no talks at all. 100% of rumor mongering seems to come from this forum.
Sailing how about that ridiculous CDO rumor on the FAR 117 LOA?
That was just plain silly. I mean if DALPA were to consider such a huge reduction in safety we all know they would have polled us.
I promise you we will cave on minimum schedule. It was not on the survey and the pilots don't have a clue.
I'm 90% sure we will see some reduction to sick time.
Pay banding is a done deal.
The goal for the insiders is to keep the line pilots in the dark and do a jam down sell job just like C2012.
Playing with fire this time.
Fool me once.........
Jerry
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