Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
#4021
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: Lead Guitar
Posts: 75
YGBSM....I can't believe this went out to the members. Unbelievable.
#4022
I'm glad Moak is not everybodys boy...Are you implying he would be had he managed to get more for the Delta folks by giving NWA less?
As far as the SLI, it is what it is and most everyone has come to live with it. That being said, there was some leapfrogging on both sides but there is no way you could say with a straight face that Delta bore the brunt.
Ultimately, that is not the argument that I was grieving. My grievance is with Moak stalling on our trip rig. It's clear why he is doing it, which I have mentioned above. One last shiv in NWAs ribs.
Either way, my grievance is not with you. Don't get too upset.
As far as the SLI, it is what it is and most everyone has come to live with it. That being said, there was some leapfrogging on both sides but there is no way you could say with a straight face that Delta bore the brunt.
Ultimately, that is not the argument that I was grieving. My grievance is with Moak stalling on our trip rig. It's clear why he is doing it, which I have mentioned above. One last shiv in NWAs ribs.
Either way, my grievance is not with you. Don't get too upset.
#4023
I guess this explains why NWA has 400+ outstanding grievances!
PG
#4026
No, Carl, you're not like us. When there's not clear language, WE go back to the people sitting in the room and see what the intent of all parties was. When those parties agree, and on this issue almost all of them do (again, except one), the issue is dropped.
I guess this explains why NWA has 400+ outstanding grievances!
PG
I guess this explains why NWA has 400+ outstanding grievances!
PG
Our old management (DAL's new management) are going to just LOVE the way you look at labor issues.
Carl
#4027
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Left seat of a little plane
Posts: 2,393
I'm more in favor of "deeds, not words." You can grieve all you want and criticize our "close relationship" with mgmt. I will take that and our superior pre-merger contract--and fewer grievances.
That said, we have our share of grievances--thing is, we win nearly all of them because we don't file them as an afterthought every time we don't like the way mgmt looked at us. We actually determine that we have a strong case before leaping, as opposed to just knee-jerk filing to "feel good" which is apparently the NWALPA way. At some point people start ignoring the boy who cried wolf. DALPA on the other hand, only cries wolf when the real thing is barking at you.
#4029
Herk,
I don't think you know a thing about us or how we work with our old management. Let's see how all this works out, the new MEC meets later and agreements may well be made.
As far as our old contract is concerned, we are trying to get back to our pre-bankruptcy rates too. We actually had a good (not perfect) contract too. If we had more time maybe we could have done more than adopt and go. It's up to you young guys in the future.
Ferd
I don't think you know a thing about us or how we work with our old management. Let's see how all this works out, the new MEC meets later and agreements may well be made.
As far as our old contract is concerned, we are trying to get back to our pre-bankruptcy rates too. We actually had a good (not perfect) contract too. If we had more time maybe we could have done more than adopt and go. It's up to you young guys in the future.
Ferd
#4030
Yes, as long as the person being displaced out of the category is junior to the person who would have been displaced but isn't now because someone senior took their place on a VD. It's called a contingintcy displacement. It protects seniority because the most junior guy is the one who gets the MD. That's why it is important to have a current displacement bid in, even if there are no surpluses in your category.
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