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Old 02-16-2009, 07:20 PM   #4861 (permalink)
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The crew rest seat is the recliner on the front right side of the lounge in Atlanta. You can only use it between even number legs on 5-leg days. Typically that means you can use it on 90% of your trips.

The 90 actually does have TV's to show movies and if your on an 88 the flight attendants provide the inflight entertainment.

The menu this month consists of pastrami on a roll with coleslaw, fruit and cheese, or some sort of salad that usually has brown lettuce. You can't have all three, so take your pick. Some months we have a shrimp salad which is good, but the FA's usually take the shrimp, stuff it in their bags, and take it home for their cats. If you get a salad with no shrimp, that is what has went down. Your gonna love it man!!
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:25 PM   #4862 (permalink)
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Oh no... the virus has spread to the "latest and greatest" thread. Let me set down the White Russian and get all of you some aspirin.

The RJDC no longer exists, the Corporation was dissolved. There is no such thing as the "RJDC settlement agreement."

There is the ALPA administrative policy manual. It requires that MEC's submit their scope openers to National, the MEC's attempt to resolve their differences and if they are unable to do so, ALPA National has the power to withhold the President's signature.

For the near future, that policy will be monitored by the (is NY the 6th District, I forgot) Federal Court. There is a Ford and Cooksey action, resolved as a class action which held ~2,500 Comair and ASA pilots. It is available, it is a public document, but I'm on the road and don't have the link with me.

ALPA is abiding, I know, the dude abides.... you all know that. Don't go all Walter on me.

Bottom line, no MEC can negotiate scope unilaterally. ALPA National is supposed to keep the kids from fighting. That has always been their job, they just have to be a better parent now.

But really, could we avoid a hijack of just this one thread. I like coming here to learn the latest and greatest, not a decades old fight between ALPA bros.
Interesting......he can't respond to this one.
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:55 PM   #4863 (permalink)
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Interesting......he can't respond to this one.
Actually I can....most of what Bucking Bar says is correct....The only part that isn't 100% correct is that ALPA isn't abiding by the agreement and legal action is being pursued yet again......
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Old 02-16-2009, 08:16 PM   #4864 (permalink)
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What...probably difference training consisting on distance learning, followed by a sim ride and a check ride
Not even that. Just distance learning for the F/Os. CAs get the sim ride.
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Old 02-16-2009, 08:19 PM   #4865 (permalink)
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Actually I can....most of what Bucking Bar says is correct....The only part that isn't 100% correct is that ALPA isn't abiding by the agreement and legal action is being pursued yet again......
Well if the RJDC no longer exists, then I would say the agreement no longer exists.
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Old 02-16-2009, 08:25 PM   #4866 (permalink)
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Beer is going to training soon on the 88, if the 90 is in the works I wonder if they'll bring it up during the pending training of the displaced pilots.
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Old 02-17-2009, 03:10 AM   #4867 (permalink)
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I agree. It is beside the point but only to a point.

What if DAL comes and offers 25 757s added to the fleet, are we certain LM wouldn't give up more scope?
Nope. It all depends on what the "dear leader" decides.

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Old 02-17-2009, 05:29 AM   #4868 (permalink)
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What...probably difference training consisting on distance learning, followed by a sim ride and a check ride
Covered ad nauseum
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Well if the RJDC no longer exists, then I would say the agreement no longer exists.

I am glad that Bar cleared this up. I apologize for using RJDC, but using the Ford/ Cooksey settlement would have confused a lot of us. They are the godfathers of this, and what the settlement is named Bar is correct when he stats that using RJDC is only hurtful and brings up hate using that term.

Bar is 100% correct. This issues has a settlement with ALPA national. The way I see it these individuals had constructive notice due to the fact that they knew what NWA's PWA had in it, and the fact that the merger was no secret.
There two LOA's came over intact. Delta management accepted them as is. Due to their language, it now covers other DCI carriers. I am sure there will be a fight about this, but we need to fight for the scope of protections that these LOA's will afford us.
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I am glad that Bar cleared this up. I apologize for using RJDC, but using the Ford/ Cooksey settlement would have confused a lot of us. They are the godfathers of this, and what the settlement is named Bar is correct when he stats that using RJDC is only hurtful and brings up hate using that term.

Bar is 100% correct. This issues has a settlement with ALPA national. The way I see it these individuals had constructive notice due to the fact that they knew what NWA's PWA had in it, and the fact that the merger was no secret.
There two LOA's came over intact. Delta management accepted them as is. Due to their language, it now covers other DCI carriers. I am sure there will be a fight about this, but we need to fight for the scope of protections that these LOA's will afford us.
The fight is on. My reps are getting and ear full.
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