Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-19-2010, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Hey, I second the "wrap place with really yummy breakfast burrito!" It's pretty sad when you actually look forward to having breakfast at the airport... but that breakfast burrito is one of the things I really miss about being based in ATL. And they give us a discount! Does it get any better than that?! 
11-19-2010, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Not that we fly A380s, but it is kind of an interesting story:
WASHINGTON – Nobody trains for chaos like this... [...]
The pilots watched as computer screens filled, only to be replaced by new screenfuls of warnings, he said.
"I don't think any crew in the world would have been trained to deal with the amount of different issues this crew faced," Woodward said.
As luck would have it, there were five experienced pilots — including three captains — aboard the plane. The flight's captain, Richard de Crespigny, was being given his annual check ride — a test of his piloting skills — by another captain. That man was himself being evaluated by a third captain. There were also first and second officers, part of the normal three-pilot team. In all, the crew had over 100 years of flying experience.
De Crespigny concentrated on flying the plane, while the others dealt with the computer alarms and made announcements to the giant planeload of passengers, some of whom said they were frantically pointing to flames streaming from the engine. Working flat out, it took 50 minutes for the pilots work through all of the messages.
When pilots receive safety warnings, they are supposed to check the airline's operating manual and implement specific procedures. But with so many warnings, the Qantas pilots had to sort through and prioritize the most serious problems first.
It's likely that for some of the problems there were no procedures because no airline anticipates so many things going wrong at once, John Goglia, a former National Transportation Safety Board member said.
WASHINGTON – Nobody trains for chaos like this... [...]
The pilots watched as computer screens filled, only to be replaced by new screenfuls of warnings, he said.
"I don't think any crew in the world would have been trained to deal with the amount of different issues this crew faced," Woodward said.
As luck would have it, there were five experienced pilots — including three captains — aboard the plane. The flight's captain, Richard de Crespigny, was being given his annual check ride — a test of his piloting skills — by another captain. That man was himself being evaluated by a third captain. There were also first and second officers, part of the normal three-pilot team. In all, the crew had over 100 years of flying experience.
De Crespigny concentrated on flying the plane, while the others dealt with the computer alarms and made announcements to the giant planeload of passengers, some of whom said they were frantically pointing to flames streaming from the engine. Working flat out, it took 50 minutes for the pilots work through all of the messages.
When pilots receive safety warnings, they are supposed to check the airline's operating manual and implement specific procedures. But with so many warnings, the Qantas pilots had to sort through and prioritize the most serious problems first.
It's likely that for some of the problems there were no procedures because no airline anticipates so many things going wrong at once, John Goglia, a former National Transportation Safety Board member said.
11-19-2010, 05:31 AM
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PCS swap w/ the pot question: Is there a precedence order that it follows, ie W/S, G/S, etc? I have trip A on 12DEC that I want to swap with trip B on 15DEC for more credit. Will it run on the next PCS cycle, or does it wait until the date gets closer? No rules violations or conflicting trips. Thanks.
11-19-2010, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Another situation not foreseen by the software engineers, and not covered in any "system CD", solved by "pilots". What happens when we run out of real pilots that were actually trained by real people, actually understand aircraft systems, and actually can make decisions?
11-19-2010, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Where in ATL do you get a discount? I didn't think ANYBODY gave us one there because the concessions are all run by maynard jackson's cronies aren't they? And he is such an upstanding character...
Great Wraps in A
Atlanta Bread Company in C
and pretty sure,
Krystals in A
All fine choice for a healthy aviation career
11-19-2010, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Where in ATL do you get a discount? I didn't think ANYBODY gave us one there because the concessions are all run by maynard jackson's cronies aren't they? And he is such an upstanding character...
11-19-2010, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Another situation not foreseen by the software engineers, and not covered in any "system CD", solved by "pilots". What happens when we run out of real pilots that were actually trained by real people, actually understand aircraft systems, and actually can make decisions?
Joking aside, this crew did a remarkable job, but the sad thing, aside from the passengers on that specific flight, most of the flying public will forget about it in a few weeks.
I've always loved how people say that the largest percentage of aviation accidents are due to pilot error.
My response to that is, well how many accidents are due to mechanical, weather, or other failures? Probably a lot less because there was a competent, experienced pilot preventing it.
The only in-flight emergencies most people remember are the ones that end in tragedy.
Bottoms up to this crew for a job well done!
11-19-2010, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Another situation not foreseen by the software engineers, and not covered in any "system CD", solved by "pilots". What happens when we run out of real pilots that were actually trained by real people, actually understand aircraft systems, and actually can make decisions?
11-19-2010, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver
PCS swap w/ the pot question: Is there a precedence order that it follows, ie W/S, G/S, etc? I have trip A on 12DEC that I want to swap with trip B on 15DEC for more credit. Will it run on the next PCS cycle, or does it wait until the date gets closer? No rules violations or conflicting trips. Thanks.
Green slips and reserve yellow slips are only for "same day/next day".
White slips go before swaps in the "beyond next day" awards.
Approval of trip swaps that aren't identical days depends heavily on reserve coverage.
Good luck. December is always tough.
11-19-2010, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Really important point you bring up there! I see a "perfect storm" being created right now that is going to cause some serious accidents in the future. Dumbed down training combined with paying HALF for airline pilots is a very careless and reckless thing to do! This profession cannot possibly be attracting the same caliber people (in general) as it has typically attracted. And then you take people who just aren't as sharp and give them watered down training. It's an accident waiting to happen IMO.
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