Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-04-2011, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
Laying over in downtown ATL, and Dragon Con is going on. Holy crap! That's all I am going to say.
09-04-2011, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Remember that every time you make a change in the contract it has unintended effects. We worked for and got a 8 hours behind the door rule in the current contract. The rule however leads to more 30 hour layovers on domestic trips and overall low time trips. I don't advocate one over the other just that you keep in mind that for every action there is a reaction. We can get longer layovers but it may come at the risk of lower time trips.
I have also seen a short layo for one crew and a 18 hrs for another crew on the same type of jet. A lot of times it comes down to what the computer optimizer spits out.
You are correct that there are some 30 hr LAYOs in cities like CMH due to the eight hr behind the door, but that is a marketing decision.
09-04-2011, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Things are different at DL than NW in that regard. No one will get on your case or allow a lawsuit for something like that.
They usually chuckle when I tell them they are an important VIP and I will be their pilot for the ride to the concourse. "We will be travelling at a speed of one half mile an hour, at an altitude of zero feet, weather in the terminal will be clear skies, and 70 degrees" (smiles).
Call me s sucker...but I do it...even though the beacon isn't on.
If contract 2012 isn't significant then my motivations will change.
Food for thought for any managers who read this forum.
Cheers.
09-04-2011, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed
I push wheel chairs all the time. I enjoy helping someone. If I get sued, so be it.
They usually chuckle when I tell them they are an important VIP and I will be their pilot for the ride to the concourse. "We will be travelling at a speed of one half mile an hour, at an altitude of zero feet, weather in the terminal will be clear skies, and 70 degrees" (smiles).
Call me s sucker...but I do it...even though the beacon isn't on.
If contract 2012 isn't significant then my motivations will change.
Food for thought for any managers who read this forum.
Cheers.
They usually chuckle when I tell them they are an important VIP and I will be their pilot for the ride to the concourse. "We will be travelling at a speed of one half mile an hour, at an altitude of zero feet, weather in the terminal will be clear skies, and 70 degrees" (smiles).
Call me s sucker...but I do it...even though the beacon isn't on.
If contract 2012 isn't significant then my motivations will change.
Food for thought for any managers who read this forum.
Cheers.
I agree, and occasionally we help find lost mothers with Alzheimer. You do make a salient point though. Caring is a two way street.
09-04-2011, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Remember that every time you make a change in the contract it has unintended effects. We worked for and got a 8 hours behind the door rule in the current contract. The rule however leads to more 30 hour layovers on domestic trips and overall low time trips. I don't advocate one over the other just that you keep in mind that for every action there is a reaction. We can get longer layovers but it may come at the risk of lower time trips.
Here's the trip, it's still in open time (imagine that) on the 88 in ATL but it's just one of many that you see very often and sometimes the reverse, 9 hour overnight into a early start 5 leg day:
ATL-SAV. 7:10 show.
SAV-ATL.
ATL-MSY.
MSY-ATL.
ATL-SAV. 19:02 scheduled arrival.
9.08 overnight.
SAV-ATL. 5:40 wheels up and 4:40 show.
ATL-OKC. 10:39 EDT scheduled arrival in OKC.
SAV-ATL.
ATL-MSY.
MSY-ATL.
ATL-SAV. 19:02 scheduled arrival.
9.08 overnight.
SAV-ATL. 5:40 wheels up and 4:40 show.
ATL-OKC. 10:39 EDT scheduled arrival in OKC.
I think that needs to be increased to a min of 10 if not more on both sides of the trip, not just one. I'm taking into account experiences with these lousy trips during IROPS and other events where you complete all 5 legs, 8 hours behind the door, a delayed show but original go and you're right back out there.
FWIW, the trip I posted is 5+2+3 legs for a 10 leg 3-day. You can do 5+2+3 as long as day 1 has 10+ hour overnight. Otherwise, 3+4+3 which is still 10 legs is equal productivity without the compromise in safety.
That's all, Part 135 min rest requirements for 5 leg days or scrap them all together.
Originally Posted by Columbia
9 hours a long overnight? Good luck getting 8 hours behind the door with that one. Doubt SWA has many such short overnights.
Last edited by forgot to bid; 09-04-2011 at 06:39 PM.
09-04-2011, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I agree, and occasionally we help find lost mothers with Alzheimer. You do make a salient point though. Caring is a two way street.
09-05-2011, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
Laying over in downtown ATL, and Dragon Con is going on. Holy crap! That's all I am going to say.
"I'd rather be lucky than good" - Lefty Gomez
09-05-2011, 04:27 AM
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09-05-2011, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Carl, The problem is that this rumor comes up again and again. In one case I was at the meeting where it was supposed to have happen. Never happened or anything close. Despite this being a ongoing rumor not once has anyone posted something to take it anywhere above a rumor level. Why? Kind of strange. There is certainly nothing wrong with posting items from a public meeting. Its done all the time on the other board. Guys will take notes and post everything they can remember. Not once in those notes has anyone posted anything about we can't achieve SWA.
Here is what I want to see to even begin to believe this is more then a rumor.
I went to the Council XX meeting on the XX Sept. The Captains reps XXXXX XXXXXXX stated that he was not in favor and did not feel we can achieve SWA payrates.
Carl, Why has the above never happened?
This rumor is much like the other rumor posted over and over again.
DALPA is in secret negotiations to give away 100 seat scope for a 25, 30, 40, 50, or 60 percent raise. Been posted over and over since DPA started up. Never been a single discussion with the company on the issue. Not to mention that anyone who stopped to look at the cost of the pay raises compared to the cost savings of running the airplanes at DCI would quickly realize how stupid the rumor is.
Here is what I want to see to even begin to believe this is more then a rumor.
I went to the Council XX meeting on the XX Sept. The Captains reps XXXXX XXXXXXX stated that he was not in favor and did not feel we can achieve SWA payrates.
Carl, Why has the above never happened?
This rumor is much like the other rumor posted over and over again.
DALPA is in secret negotiations to give away 100 seat scope for a 25, 30, 40, 50, or 60 percent raise. Been posted over and over since DPA started up. Never been a single discussion with the company on the issue. Not to mention that anyone who stopped to look at the cost of the pay raises compared to the cost savings of running the airplanes at DCI would quickly realize how stupid the rumor is.
Carl
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