sailingfun

Carl, When DPA first started they wisely recognized what goes into a section six negotiation and set up a time line. In their words they had to have the required number of cards in by 31 Dec 10 in order to have the vote and be on the property by summer 11. What happened to make them decide they had made such a huge error in their time line and now almost 1 year after their own deadline don't see a problem?
Second question. Do you see DPA being able to establish a working relationship and the political ties that will be required to get past the NMB in this contract in the amount of time remaining? What will they do different from American to avoid the 5 year debacle that has been their contract negotiations.

newKnow

No. No. I opened one of t's links on from of my wife. Needless to say, I won't be bidding the 7er.

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johnso29

I think....I need.....to go to.....Serbia.....

Check Essential

Sorry. Didn't mean to restart a DPA debate in ths thread.

I agree with sailingfun though. Sorry Carl. There needs to be a deadline.
I think DPA has honorable intent and many admirable goals but they have about another 3 or 4 months to get their cards in and schedule a vote. If they have fallen short by the time the calendar turns to 2012 then in the interest of unity they need to suspend their efforts and let DALPA concentrate on the contract. Justified or not, the DALPA troops are way too distracted by DPA. Carl - face it, your presence makes those guys hyper-ventilate. That's a good thing right now. But not next year.

Its just my opinion but I think if DPA continues their activities into 2012 then they will be harming the pilot group (and any chance they might have of getting enough cards any time in the future).

Urging a "NO" vote on any TA they see as inadequate is perfectly legitimate. But continuing to advocate the decertification of ALPA is not. Not while the contract is open in Section 6.

shiznit

What LEC guys? What have they "pushed" on you?

If it's in my LEC I'll help lead the recall drive. Nobody on the MEC knows beyond vague generalities what this pilot group wants, if they are speaking without knowing what we want, I don't want them representing me and the pilots in my LEC.

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Flamer

Nice. I can't believe the union would put this in print. Except for the "don't blame ALPA, blame society".

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acl65pilot

I agree and if there is proof in my LEC too, I will advocate the same.

Free Bird

I disagree on this. I do think that DPA will force DALPA to grow a pair for the upcoming contract. IF DALPA continues in their ways of the past then imo the pilots voices will be heard and DPA will carry the torch. The choice is DALPA's.

Carl Spackler

I don't know this for a fact, but I hope the reason the DPA guys are continuing is because of people like me urging them NOT to suspend activities under any circumstances. My opinion is that the DPA's existence is the only reason DALPA hasn't already caved in scope via LOA prior to Section 6.

ALPA has no political relationships, with one exception: Politicians take ALPA's (our) money and allow ALPA a seat at the table. That's the relationship. That's it. The sooner everyone gets past the ALPA advertising slogans, the sooner you'll be able to understand what's going on around you.

I'm surprised you still say things like this. Do you not pay attention to very recent history? The problem at American is not the APA as a union. The problem at American is the widely varied opinion of the pilots. Some of them are "constructive engagement" types. Others are not and want to get complete restoration plus cost of living back all in the first year. ALPA thought they could come in and show APA how it's done. But what happened? The first time ALPA was publicly insulted for being secretive and having ulterior motives, ALPA very publicly withdrew their services and walked away from the pilots of American.

The question you should be asking yourself is: What will ALPA do differently this time now that they've apparently rejoined APA? Because so far, ALPA has only served to delay APA's contract hopes for the entire time ALPA has been there.

Carl

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