When we had a real cap your pay in a month could not exceed the cap unless you had a GS. If the cap was 75 hours and your actual credit for the month ended up being 82 hours you only got paid for 75. The 7 extra hours rolled over into next month. When you reached a point where they could drop the shortest trip on your line in a month and not put you below the cap then that drop was mandatory and automatic. So if you carried in 12 hours in bow wave and your line was 74 hours with a 10 hour two day as one of the trips you were now projected at 86 with the bow wave. The two day trip would have to be dropped and you would then have 76 hours. This automatic trip drop also applied in the current month to reroutes ect.. that generated extra time. I once had a 1 day trip turn into 7 days. All the credit caused the rest of my trips that month to be dropped.
In conjunction with Bow Wave we had spillback. If you had a month you did not feel like working a lot you could take any trip in the following month departing before the 10th and spill it back to the previous month to fill that month up. You could then pick up more that month. A nice feature when you wanted to build some big off time blocks.
The beauty of bow waves is that it removed all incentive to try and work more unless it was a GS. Back then we used 14 to 15 pilots per narrow body aircraft. Today its 11 to 12 and the aircraft utilization is up. Jobs are way down.
Thanks, here's a question, iyho would I be wrong to want to go back to that?
Like it was mentioned we have to save ourselves from ourselves. It'd be better to go back to adding pilots throughout the system and having movement than for some to make a lot of money off trip parking.
I mean add 3 pilots per ship you're looking at 727 x 3 and over 2100 pilots hired. That's not all at the bottom, that's 54 more 777 pilots, 45 more 747 pilots, almost 700 new 767/7ER pilots, almost 100 more A330 pilots, 400 A320 pilots, 430 MD88 pilots and so on.
No way no way. There is not enough room out there for more than one airline. That market can't bare it.
That's why only Alaska can do it. If one airline tries to move into that market the whole thing will collapse and those people out there won't even have airline service anymore between places like LAX and SEA.
That's why Eskimos before Bros.
I meant Alaska has attempted to flood the WC-Hawaii market. DL sees the flood, throws a sandbag or two then heads for higher ground. Hope we're ready for the next flood.
I think beginning with the 96 contract we were then able to sell back up to half of our vacation, I couldn't believe how many guys did that! And that was a long time before Bankruptcy!
The entitlement crowd isn't over 70 and they're not younger than 30. They're everywhere. 'I'll get mine' seems to be a common mantra.
Originally Posted by Timbo
Still, you'll have a lot of guys with no life, no wife, no kids, etc. who are happy to fly 21 days a month...or more, if there's a green slip involved! But I'd rather be sailing on my "off days", not flying, unless it's in a Pitts off a grass strip.
I want a Baron 58... I think. Something decent that can actually take the family places so I don't have to non rev. But the makes and model changes month to month.
But if not an airplane I would like a elk drunk on fermented apples in my tree: