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Old 09-23-2011, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead View Post
Please make judicious use of the "Absolutely Crucial" option, using it only for desired changes without which the new PWA would be unacceptable regardless of any other gains.

So much for judicious....
Sorry if you feel that way, but I am convinced (by experience) that our PWA is substandard in several areas to include scope, compensation, work rules, medical, sick leave and retirement. I am not prepared to take less in one area of the contract to compensate for others. It is time for our pilot group to take back what we have invested to make the company successful (at one point even liquid). I do not necessarily advocate taking a militant stance and I am willing to allow "constructive engagement" to work for awhile. However, I will not hesitate to let my union know what I expect of the next PWA.
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ragtop Day View Post
Sorry if you feel that way, but I am convinced (by experience) that our PWA is substandard in several areas to include scope, compensation, work rules, medical, sick leave and retirement. I am not prepared to take less in one area of the contract to compensate for others. It is time for our pilot group to take back what we have invested to make the company successful (at one point even liquid). I do not necessarily advocate taking a militant stance and I am willing to allow "constructive engagement" to work for awhile. However, I will not hesitate to let my union know what I expect of the next PWA.
Actually thought that sentence was kind of funny. Found myself clicking the absolutely critical boxes more often then what I would consider judicious.
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead View Post
Actually thought that sentence was kind of funny. Found myself clicking the absolutely critical boxes more often then what I would consider judicious.
Sorry to misunderstand. Glad to see we are on the same page. Hopefully about 11,000 more surveys turn out like ours.
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:30 PM
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One advantage of having to get up every morning during the week: Stephanie Abrams bringing me the weather. It appears she might take some motivating for her to get her 80 on after what I did to Jenna Fischer, but I think I can pull a newK mind trick:



What is she saying? That I would bring an EF-4 to her room?

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Old 09-23-2011, 05:49 PM
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Just saw Moneyball. There was a good line towards the end... something to the effect of "You don't do it for the money... you do it for what the money says about you: It says, 'you're worth it'."
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead View Post
Actually thought that sentence was kind of funny. Found myself clicking the absolutely critical boxes more often then what I would consider judicious.
I loved (not really) their direction to use "absolutely critical" judiciously. Cant a lot of things be "absolutely critical?" I think so. Like, almost all of them?
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat View Post
I loved (not really) their direction to use "absolutely critical" judiciously. Cant a lot of things be "absolutely critical?" I think so. Like, almost all of them?
I only used "absolutely critical" for the scope, compensation and reroute areas. Is that judicious?
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:14 PM
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As I did that survey, I realized how bad our contract is. I put down 60 percent in the raise column up front with 5 percent for subsequent years. I was reasonable and honest.
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 View Post
As I did that survey, I realized how bad our contract is. I put down 60 percent in the raise column up front with 5 percent for subsequent years. I was reasonable and honest.
I think your position is completely reasonable. Guys, we've "taken it on the chin" WRT our current contract.
>39% paycut
>what are you paying for health care these days---it certainly ain't a $20 co-pay like we had at one time. I'm spending about $4000 a year on my family...
>retirement. What retirement???? Got a "B" fund, no pension....
>scope....Does anybody like parking next to an E175, and realize that's our regional partner's aircraft???
Hockeypilot44, your survey results are very reasonable. At least the part of it I've seen.
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Just my opinion here, but isnt DAL big enough to self insure? Yes

Does DAL self insure? Yes

UHC administers DALs insurance program

Health insurance improvements are a no cost item which structured as they are put a price tag on the insurance. It is really no different that the fee for departure contracts outsourced to DCI. We bear the cost, but charge ourselves for the program to make the books prettier.

I repeat, no cost to change the system. However, an accountant could/would disagree.

There will be a short countdown after which I will be told how oh so wrong I am.
I don't think so. There is no reason why we (DAL and DALPA) can't put together a plan that allows retirees to leave without fear and without it being added as a "cost" item against the contract.
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