Does anyone know how to non-rev to Santiago or Lima? I have the highly sought after 1st week of December vacation block and was looking at warm destinations. I also saw something strange going to PPT (Polynesia). It shows a route to LAX, then a 777 with 0/0 capacity to PPT. ---Thanks
P.S. With my short attention span, the pin-up girls are what keep me coming back eCh morning with my coffee.
I think PPT is operated by Air France from LAX...thats why the loads show 0/0.
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Leg warmers?!?!?!? Geeze, I just had an 80s flashback.......Buzz, Scambo and I staggering out of an O'Club somewherez. Teeth missing from the Crud game but with a bottle of Jeremiah Weed to dull the pain.
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Leg warmers?!?!?!? Geeze, I just had an 80s flashback.......Buzz, Scambo and I staggering out of an O'Club somewherez. Teeth missing from the Crud game but with a bottle of Jeremiah Weed to dull the pain.
Been there, done that...at least I think I did. Memory is a little fuzzy. Still have a bottle in the freezer.
Actually if it came out that SWA pay is not enough I did not explain myself correctly. What I am saying is that achieving SWA pilots costs is not enough. No matter what the forum legends are on SW when we are before the NMB the actual numbers will be used. If we offered the company SWA pilot costs verses are 2 man pilot costs the company would sign that minute. In the last reported year SWA pilots average 166,000 in pay. Delta pilots average 142,000 in pay. Add in the 5 percent difference in DC money and the numbers are not that far apart.
What I put in my survey is that I would like to see us attempt to achieve SWA pilot pay rates on the MD88 with the rest of the fleets adjusted accordingly. That will put our actual block hour pilot costs quite a bit above SW. I also wanted significant raises each year of the contract in addition to the upfront raise.
Having asked quite a few pilots what they put down as a acceptable raise I can tell you that out of around 10 guys I was on the high side. Only 1 asked for more then I did in the survey. Not really a valid sample but I will bet money the average pilot in the survey fell in the 15 to 20 percent raise category.
Sorry to butt into the Delta thread, but I'll make it quick. The $166,000 average salary that keeps getting quoted here is incorrect. The MIT website has made a gross error in their calculations. If you look at 2009, it says that average SWA pilot pay was $176,000 and dropped to $166,000 in 2010. That is simply not correct.
There seems to be an error in the total number of pilots at SWA. Their charts show a sudden jump of 5.2 crews per aircraft to 5.9 from 2009 to 2010. That number is not correct. MIT shows that SWA hired around 800 pilots in 2010, making their calculations wildly inaccurate. Actual number of pilots hired in 2010 was zero.
If you compare the total cockpit cost per block hour for narrowbody equipment, SWA cockpit cost per hour rose from $630 to $691. SWA's scheduling practices and contract did not change appreciably in 2010 other than a pay rate increase. To compare, Delta currently shows $552 total cost per hour for 2010.
Anyway, the $166,000 average salary figure is not correct. If you use the correct number of pilots, the average SWA salary is actually well above $186,000 per year. My past history of Delta bashing aside, that is the real info.
First, very bad sign that the union has to extend the deadline...seriously? Second, we are a cash business...let's break our pay paradigm and get a per cent of the gross. Let's be a true cost of doing business like all the other vendors (boeing, airbus, ge, catering, etc.).
Now as far as the survey, from a 24yr 767 captain:
1. Significant reduction in scoped out flying, without it nothing else matters.
2. 40% day one. 5%/yr til next contract is signed.
3. 6hr/calendar day for all work events. i.e. fly, dh only day, suit up pay, layover only day, initial qual, cq, vacation day, everything is 6hr/calendar day!
4. 75hr guarantee reg/res.
5. Reg/res get paid the same on same rotation.
6. Return seniority to res. If it requires more pilots, so be it.
7. 23k goes to bottom of 23n & 23o coverage ladders. Also, must return within 4hrs domestic/ 6hrs int'l or midnight, whichever is EARLIER.
11. Eliminate agency shop...a line puke's only way to maintain a true check & balance on the union.
12. Stop signing NDAs...we are a public company...most information is readily availabe...NDAs promote the "trust me, I've got a secret, but I can't tell you" that greatly increases the mistrust from the line.
13. The union must stop accepting pay from the company...complete conflict of interest...I will gladly pay dues to cover our costs.
I am willing to massage these a "little", but not much.
Good luck to us all.
I like the whole thing! The ones I bolded were almost a verbatim copy of what I wrote on my survey. Get out of my head!
Hopefully there are MANY more that are saying the same sort of thing. With the conversations I've had with the reps I have faith that they will ask for what we want. The only question is what does the majority of the pilot group ask for? I'd be very surprised to see anyone write in 10% on the survey.
When your CQ Golden Days show up on PBS calendar does that mean if you get a reserve line for that month you'll get those days off as Golden Days as well? Do you have to bid them on your monthly bid, or are they automatically assigned to a guy who gets a reserve line?
Sorry to butt into the Delta thread, but I'll make it quick. The $166,000 average salary that keeps getting quoted here is incorrect. The MIT website has made a gross error in their calculations. If you look at 2009, it says that average SWA pilot pay was $176,000 and dropped to $166,000 in 2010. That is simply not correct.
There seems to be an error in the total number of pilots at SWA. Their charts show a sudden jump of 5.2 crews per aircraft to 5.9 from 2009 to 2010. That number is not correct. MIT shows that SWA hired around 800 pilots in 2010, making their calculations wildly inaccurate. Actual number of pilots hired in 2010 was zero.
If you compare the total cockpit cost per block hour for narrowbody equipment, SWA cockpit cost per hour rose from $630 to $691. SWA's scheduling practices and contract did not change appreciably in 2010 other than a pay rate increase. To compare, Delta currently shows $552 total cost per hour for 2010.
Anyway, the $166,000 average salary figure is not correct. If you use the correct number of pilots, the average SWA salary is actually well above $186,000 per year. My past history of Delta bashing aside, that is the real info.
Sorry to butt into the Delta thread, but I'll make it quick. The $166,000 average salary that keeps getting quoted here is incorrect. The MIT website has made a gross error in their calculations. If you look at 2009, it says that average SWA pilot pay was $176,000 and dropped to $166,000 in 2010. That is simply not correct.
There seems to be an error in the total number of pilots at SWA. Their charts show a sudden jump of 5.2 crews per aircraft to 5.9 from 2009 to 2010. That number is not correct. MIT shows that SWA hired around 800 pilots in 2010, making their calculations wildly inaccurate. Actual number of pilots hired in 2010 was zero.
If you compare the total cockpit cost per block hour for narrowbody equipment, SWA cockpit cost per hour rose from $630 to $691. SWA's scheduling practices and contract did not change appreciably in 2010 other than a pay rate increase. To compare, Delta currently shows $552 total cost per hour for 2010.
Anyway, the $166,000 average salary figure is not correct. If you use the correct number of pilots, the average SWA salary is actually well above $186,000 per year. My past history of Delta bashing aside, that is the real info.
Thanks, LuvJockey. I knew there was no way the average SWA pilot salary could be so low when the average F/O makes over $140K and the average Captain makes over $230K. The guy that heads up that MIT Airline Data Project sailingfun likes to quote, is hardly impartial. Here's a very interesting tidbit from his bio:
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"Prior to accepting his research position at MIT, Swelbar spent 25 years in the consulting world with a focus on airline labor cost restructuring..."
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