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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Kind of wonder if they are giving a gentle nudge towards retirement ... not that it is personal, when the junior guys were asking about leaves to avoid displacement the CPO stated an 12 to 18 month request would likely be accepted.
Furloughing has its own costs, but there is little doubt we are overstaffed right now.
Just look at us lowly 88B's in Atl, reserves required during the week are 20 and each day next week there are 80 on reserve! 80! why do we need 4 times the amount required?!?
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Just look at us lowly 88B's in Atl, reserves required during the week are 20 and each day next week there are 80 on reserve! 80! why do we need 4 times the amount required?!?
For the LGA slot swap expansion.
Now lets get rid of trip parking and then re-rack staffing levels.
Trip Parking:
Also if we furlough and 2 years is the minimum amount of time required to furlough then given retirements how long will we really end up being overstaffed. And we also have a lot of training coming with all of these bids, as we realign and move equipment and close bases and so on, are we really overstaffed enough to furlough for 2 years?
Last edited by forgot to bid; 01-04-2012 at 04:59 AM.
Think I saw that Jan would have the highest YOY schedule cut. Since we staff for the summer, it stands to reason that this month we will have the least amount of open time and the highest number of couch potatoes (RSV bubbas and bubbettes).
Just look at us lowly 88B's in Atl, reserves required during the week are 20 and each day next week there are 80 on reserve! 80! why do we need 4 times the amount required?!?
No we don't, the alternative is to furlough those pilots. Is that what you really want? Be thankful that a foresighted individual realized the best method to prevent furloughs was via a layered approach. Layering in economic penalties to the company has served us very well since we got away from traditional no furlough clauses.
FP: I think you do have to republish to get the new info over to those that pull the reports. (I'd ask them, or ACL here is pretty good at knowing that system ).
What program runs 12 years? My grad degree was something the panel was unfamiliar with, so they asked, "How long does that take?" Followed by, "How long did it take you?"
Thanks Bar.... I'll republish, it can't hurt. It took 12 years to finish my BS. I decided to stop going to college early on to pursue a full time flying job. I told myself that I'd start back 6 months later. WRONG!!! Finishing a degree working full time and with 2 kids screaming in my ear while trying to study was not easy. Glad it's finally done
where do you get this stuff? There is no plan to close the ATL 777 base.
90% of what he posts here never comes to fruition. i remember back in the late nineties talking to an LCA friend who said he was told we would never fly South America. Less than a week later we announced EZE, LIM, and SCL along with GIG and GRU.
I think a new concern for the junior/younger folk should be furlough. If Iran keeps farting around with the strait of Hormouse or Israel does something about the Nuke program over there, $200.00/ barrel oil is not out of the question. It seems almost certain some sort of conflict will erupt over there, sometime this year. Think not only about Delta's fuel costs but the world economies and how many people/ business people will continue to fly.
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I think a new concern for the junior/younger folk should be furlough. If Iran keeps farting around with the strait of Hormouse or Israel does something about the Nuke program over there, $200.00/ barrel oil is not out of the question. It seems almost certain some sort of conflict will erupt over there, sometime this year. Think not only about Delta's fuel costs but the world economies and how many people/ business people will continue to fly.
That's not a concern for just junior people. That's a concern for everyone. It will effect EVERY pilot on the DAL seniority list in a negative way. Plus, I think it's more of a concern for older guys, since many are scrambling to pay off college for their kids and scrape together some kind of retirement before they hit 65. Younger people will have more time to recover.
No we don't, the alternative is to furlough those pilots. Is that what you really want? Be thankful that a foresighted individual realized the best method to prevent furloughs was via a layered approach. Layering in economic penalties to the company has served us very well since we got away from traditional no furlough clauses.
This is an excellent point. Between numerous LOAs the past couple of years that have improved our contract (albeit incrementally) to this example, I'm glad we have union and management teams that are at least stretching the tired old models of "here is the contract, nothing will ever change until the next TA is ratified" blah blah blah.
Strict no furlough clauses are absolutely worthless as we have seen before. But subtly layering economic penalties in the event of furloughs is a much more clever--and most importantly--effective approach.
Without those penalties, I'm certain we would have announced "seasonal" furloughs along with every network cutback the past couple of years.
I don't know which airport you're talking about, but at BOG it was just one leg needed. Things can change, but when I went on the 757 to Bogota, the Captain and I had never been. The AQFO showed us the ropes on the way down from JFK, then deadheaded deviated and DHed back to ATL. The second time it was just the Captain who hadn't been, so the AQFO sat up front on the way down and DHed back with us the next day.
I can't see why the AQFO would let you go home with pay when he can be the one getting the good deal.
My personal experience had been that the AQFO has let me go both times. Both were overnights, but the AQFO could have DH right back out. It was a great deal for me, as he turned my uncommutable 5 day in to a commutable 4 day where I got home 36 hours earlier. And I was still paid for my 5 day & got a PS seat home.
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