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Old 02-28-2012, 07:37 AM   #90601 (permalink)
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No, but you have guys on 12 year pay sitting in the left seat. Making the top rate at 70 hrs for months on end, effectively making 15K a month.
There may be 12 yr FDAL sitting in some left seat somewhere, but there are NO FNWA 12 yr sitting in a left seat and are no where near holding a left seat. Just sayin....
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:48 AM   #90602 (permalink)
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There may be 12 yr FDAL sitting in some left seat somewhere, but there are NO FNWA 12 yr sitting in a left seat and are no where near holding a left seat. Just sayin....


12 year Pay, there are not 12 year FDAL guys sitting capt. But all capt are 12 year PAY. Just sayin.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:52 AM   #90603 (permalink)
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Was a bad idea at Northwest and will be an even worse idea now. Should Delta come by a windfall of pilots it'll drive down DALPAs negotiating capital. Management will say "Why would we have to buy pilots? We have xx thousand that just signed on the shiny dotted line to sit in the right seat of the MD-88 for 3 years"

Now isn't the time. I hope this is obvious to everyone who is looking forward to our "+40%" (Lol)
Why would it be a "windfall of pilots" when they could just hire them all anyway. There are thousands upon thousands of pilots who have way worse than we do here at Delta. I commute to sit reserve on the DC-9 & it's WAY better than both regionals I worked for. The right seat of the MD-88 sounds pretty good to me now.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:55 AM   #90604 (permalink)
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I sure hope not. Should that even be a question?

It's interesting how folks are getting away with saying "I'm not willing to give up any scope!" like it's a bold or aggressive statement. A General puffing up his chest and shouting to his troops that "we're not going to surrender any more ground!" would rightly get snickers from the troops who realize the incongruity between the words he spoke and the effect with which they were delivered.

Sailing- have any of your reps stated that scope recapture is a top priority?

I'm not questioning the validity of the current negotiating strategy, just pointing out that I think some are getting away with trying to pass a weak position on scope off as a strong one by hoping we pay more attention to the boldness of delivery rather than he literal meaning of words spoken.
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:00 AM   #90605 (permalink)
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That is pretty good.

Their padding on the seats looks more comfy than some of ours.

I'd like to see a group shot of all of the shuttles. Before they depart to their final resting places I'd like to see them together... on the ground.

Seat padding is something not needed very much in that ship. During launch, you're vertical and all the acceleration stress is against the seatback, then you're weightless in 8 minutes. Re-entry takes about 65 minutes to touchdown and you only get G's for about the last 20 minutes.

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Old 02-28-2012, 08:37 AM   #90606 (permalink)
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Ha! Excellent point, and great Google comparison.

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Old 02-28-2012, 08:44 AM   #90607 (permalink)
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Just saw this.

Flow Through Agreements. As of now, there is no flow through agreement in place for ExpressJet pilots. The working group called Delta Connection Pilot Alliance (DCPA) consists of the ALPA Delta Connection carriers of ASA (now ExpressJet), Comair, Compass, and the new Pinnacle. This group has been looking to develop a flow through agreement with Delta and is focused on those pilots serving the Delta Connection system. Since it is easy to determine who that is in our combined pilot group, those flying the CRJ could become eligible in the event that an agreement is reached; however, there is nothing that includes the ERJ pilots at this time. These discussions are still in the infancy stage with the Delta MEC and, therefore, Delta Airlines management. I have been part of these meetings in the past, as have previous chairmen. Additionally, the XJT MEC has tasked me to form an alliance with the ALPA carriers flying in the United Express system. This group could be tasked by their respective MECs to work on a flow through agreement with the United MEC and United Airlines management. I am in the beginning stages of forming this alliance.
Absolutely no flow through!!!!!!!!!! Interviewing is the only way to get the best shot at finding a good match. Now, if we recapture all 76 seat aircraft and the flying involved then just staple. That would be good for everyone even though some weak sisters and brothers along with a few booger eating morons may slip through the cracks! Just sayin!
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:49 AM   #90608 (permalink)
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Why would they start a new flow thru when they just canned one a couple years ago with Compass?
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:50 AM   #90609 (permalink)
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I was listening to the local sports guys yesterday and they were talking about negotiations and how as a player you don't want to be in them. Their example was a MLB player is going into contract negotiations after batting .305, 140 home runs and 520 runs batter in. He is pretty proud of himself but if he was in the negotiating room he'd be shocked to hear his team say "but your struck out 80 times. You batted .210 from May 21st to June 5th. 150 of your 520 runs batted in came in a losing effort." And so on.

Point being, I think we're going to get trashed with some funny numbers in the coming year. Not necessarily false, just not indicative of reality. "You're costs were up because of overtime." We can only fly overtime if you offer us overtime, eh?.
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:11 AM   #90610 (permalink)
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How will it improve productivity? Are you planning B scale work rules for the New hires? I sure hope not. Normally hiring actually reduces overall productivity since you end up with a lot of pilots in the school house. During past major hiring binges we had to overstaff around 10 percent for training volume. That is why when the hiring stops we are always overstaffed.
Actual pay costs will go down as you bring pilots in at the bottom of scale. That is however a somewhat temporary gain.
New hires already have a 2 year B scale and will soon have at least a 1 year freeze. That will significantly lower the cost of new hires going forward. There is also quite a bit of difference between years 1 and 12. As hundreds of 12's leave the pattern and are replaced with 1's that will go a long way to lowering average pilot costs.

Yes, all those hires will eventually be 12's one day, but as they mature up the scale there will be a steady, forever stream of 12's leaving and 1's coming in on the bottom to start over.

And that's if we stagnate forever. Imagine if we actually grew. You know, like all those other carriers that DL is providing the "Capacity Dicipline" for. If we could push the AF/KLM balance back to 50% (and actually keep it there, as well as including ALL their cargo into the mix as it should be) and reduce the Alaska code share abuse by even just 10 or 20% we could actually be in growth mode, which further lowers costs by creating and leveraging the juniority of costs across the entire operation at the same time revenue volume and opportunities are increasing.

And if we can stop the outsourcing of 255 DC-9-10 replacement jets we could have thousands of new hire pilots over the rest of this decade. It would suck to have to do that on a B scale of any sort (and I don't think that is warranted at all) but worst case a B scale and a longer airframe freeze for those new hires would mitigate a lot of those costs not to mention eliminating multipile layers of redundant management and guaranteed profits paid to other companies, some of which compete directly with us and are growing (and enjoying lower unit costs because of it) while we stagnate (and eat higher costs).
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