Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-02-2012, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Bill,
I respect your opinion, and to be fair, can only say, "we will see". It is my opinion, that their are more "chest thumping keyboard rangers" than there are people willing to take action if D-ALPA produces something inadequate.
Just my .02
GJ
I respect your opinion, and to be fair, can only say, "we will see". It is my opinion, that their are more "chest thumping keyboard rangers" than there are people willing to take action if D-ALPA produces something inadequate.
Just my .02
GJ
Reminds me of the show where the beaten wife won't leave her husband, even when there's plenty of help outside the house. But she can't bring herself to leave him. Some people get used to the abuse, I suppose. Me? uh uh...I'm out.
03-02-2012, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
Got it. Wearing your uniform at a BBQ and marching around managements office in support of your team in the merger over the other team is okay, but DALPA's "constructive engagement" with management isn't? To put it in simpler terms if DALPA had gone independent before the merger and was working like SWAPA or APA we'd be looking at stapling the NWA guys like AA did to TWA right? Screw the other guy! Its about me, especially if my management is looking out for me. That's a great message. I assume you'll be at the management BBQ with Richard and Ed for the next merger of 'equals' then? The DPA doesn't want a union period. They want to get rid of agency shop and stop paying dues. It's that simple.
03-02-2012, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
What were you looking at for the first 20+ years of SWA's existence???? They never led at anything until the others' went backwards.
03-02-2012, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
What were you looking at for the first 20+ years of SWA's existence???? They never led at anything until the others' went backwards.
Yo, Shiz!
Hope you are not in ATL tonight and hope everyone else in the SE has survived intact.
I'll get to the point.
Southwest gets paid more than us. Lots more!
Their medical kicks @ss. Their scope is pretty good to I hear.
We are no longer in the enviable position we were with C2K. Lots of guys out on the line don't want to believe this and try and rationalize these facts away. One of the first steps in fixing this is recognizing the issue and embracing. When we all can get behind this truth, we can focus our energy and win.
We can't if guys keep falling for this:
Belief Disconfirmation Paradigm
- Belief disconfirmation paradigm occurs when a person is presented with information which conflicts with his beliefs. If unable to change his beliefs the conflict experienced could result in a rejection of the conflicting information or the denial of the information. A person unable to resolve the conflict will seek others sharing a similar belief to restore agreement of thoughts. An example of belief disconfirmation paradigm is cult members who experience the failure of a prophecy to occur. The cult members will typically seek an explanation among the group and reach a conclusion that provides an answer that creates harmony.
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03-02-2012, 10:03 PM
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Now, If you thought the last one was good, wait until you check this next one out.
It fits us pilots to a "T."
Remeber in our latest QCQ CD, the one where we don't get paid 1 for 1 for completing it? There was a section describing how "compliant " pilots are.
I know present:
Induced-Compliance Paradigm
HHHmmmmm. Sound vaguely familiar?
It fits us pilots to a "T."
Remeber in our latest QCQ CD, the one where we don't get paid 1 for 1 for completing it? There was a section describing how "compliant " pilots are.
I know present:
Induced-Compliance Paradigm
- The induced-compliance paradigm is when a person internalizes an attitude that they were encouraged to express because they had no other justification. In a study conducted in 1959 by Festinger and Carlsmith's, participants were requested to spend an hour on a boring and tedious task that created a strong, negative feeling. When participants completed the task they were asked to talk to others and convince them that the tasks were interesting. One group of participants was paid $1 for the task. Another group was paid $20 to perform the same. A control group was asked to do nothing. When rating the boring tasks after completion of the experiment, those paid $1 rated the tasks more positively than those in the other two groups. The theory that Festinger and Carlsmith's provided was that due to guilt and an inability to justify their actions, the lower-paid participants internalized their attitude.
- Those paid $20 had an external justification: money.
HHHmmmmm. Sound vaguely familiar?
03-03-2012, 04:21 AM
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What's the deal with the uniform survey? Should this really be an issue now?
I hope we don't waste one second of negotiations or one cent of possible restoration attempting to modify the uniform. Questions like, "should we replace the coat with a windbreaker?", "should we be allowed to leave the coat unbuttoned?"
, "would you like a leather jacket?". Of course there's something about the hat.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't believe this is what bothers us. For the right price, I'll wear a clown suit.
Sorry if this has been discussed earlier - didn't have time to skim the last 30 pages of dalpa/dpa arguments.
I hope we don't waste one second of negotiations or one cent of possible restoration attempting to modify the uniform. Questions like, "should we replace the coat with a windbreaker?", "should we be allowed to leave the coat unbuttoned?"
, "would you like a leather jacket?". Of course there's something about the hat.Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't believe this is what bothers us. For the right price, I'll wear a clown suit.
Sorry if this has been discussed earlier - didn't have time to skim the last 30 pages of dalpa/dpa arguments.
03-03-2012, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Easy there, put down the pipe. I was saying it would be great if we had a union that could get us top pay and bennies plus be friendly with management that would "have our backs" on anything that would come our way. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Top pay and friendly management. We probably wouldn't even need a union if that were always true. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening, but SWAPA has had that the last decade, primarily because they don't also have to worry about RJs, and they mean what they say and don't fold like a deck of cards when it comes to things management wants. Why again did LM get rid of SILs that were worth 55 hours per month for NOT flying to the current ZERO hours of pay for an SIL? Makes NO sense. Thanks LM, enjoy your life long pension.....
03-03-2012, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
What's the deal with the uniform survey? Should this really be an issue now?
I hope we don't waste one second of negotiations or one cent of possible restoration attempting to modify the uniform. Questions like, "should we replace the coat with a windbreaker?", "should we be allowed to leave the coat unbuttoned?", "would you like a leather jacket?". Of course there's something about the hat.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't believe this is what bothers us. For the right price, I'll wear a clown suit.
Sorry if this has been discussed earlier - didn't have time to skim the last 30 pages of dalpa/dpa arguments.
I hope we don't waste one second of negotiations or one cent of possible restoration attempting to modify the uniform. Questions like, "should we replace the coat with a windbreaker?", "should we be allowed to leave the coat unbuttoned?"
, "would you like a leather jacket?". Of course there's something about the hat.Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't believe this is what bothers us. For the right price, I'll wear a clown suit.
Sorry if this has been discussed earlier - didn't have time to skim the last 30 pages of dalpa/dpa arguments.
If this is the case, I could care less about modifying the current uniform policy. Just seems like an incredible waste of resources and time.
I'd wear assless chaps and a Mexican sombrero to work if it meant an industry leading contract.
03-03-2012, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
What's the deal with the uniform survey? Should this really be an issue now?
I hope we don't waste one second of negotiations or one cent of possible restoration attempting to modify the uniform. Questions like, "should we replace the coat with a windbreaker?", "should we be allowed to leave the coat unbuttoned?", "would you like a leather jacket?". Of course there's something about the hat.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't believe this is what bothers us. For the right price, I'll wear a clown suit.
Sorry if this has been discussed earlier - didn't have time to skim the last 30 pages of dalpa/dpa arguments.
I hope we don't waste one second of negotiations or one cent of possible restoration attempting to modify the uniform. Questions like, "should we replace the coat with a windbreaker?", "should we be allowed to leave the coat unbuttoned?"
, "would you like a leather jacket?". Of course there's something about the hat.Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't believe this is what bothers us. For the right price, I'll wear a clown suit.
Sorry if this has been discussed earlier - didn't have time to skim the last 30 pages of dalpa/dpa arguments.
03-03-2012, 05:05 AM
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If any of you homos touch my stuff I'll ...
Enough of the a$$less chaps and thongs.
The uniform survey is a sleight of hand tactic used by magicians...if you cannot see it for what it is. Do not look at the uniform survey, instead, watch what DALPA is doing with their other hand.
Enough of the a$$less chaps and thongs.
The uniform survey is a sleight of hand tactic used by magicians...if you cannot see it for what it is. Do not look at the uniform survey, instead, watch what DALPA is doing with their other hand.
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