EXACTLY!!! I don't see how it's a hard concept to grasp, once it's gone and off property then there is a -0- % chance of bringing those rates higher for delta pilots. The rates are lower right now because we don't have the plane on property yet, but let's be realistic all of our rates are lower than they should be but that doesn't mean we should outsource those jobs either!!
Friend...who's talking about outsorcing 100 seat jet flying? I'm saying if you want to replace the DC-9 with E-195 then pay DC-9 rates. Hell I won't be flying that E-195, but you will. Do you realy want to fly that for a 20% discount? If you do, ya need a drug test...........
Friend...who's talking about outsorcing 100 seat jet flying? I'm saying if you want to replace the DC-9 with E-195 then pay DC-9 rates. Hell I won't be flying that E-195, but you will. Do you realy want to fly that for a 20% discount? If you do, ya need a drug test...........
I'd flyit if it meant keeping that plane at mainline to ensure we can get the rates back up. The initial rate is low because we don't have them in property yet. We can get it up to where it needs to be but not if it's given away, once it's gone, it's gone
So, if the company gets rid of all the smaller DC-9s, what do you propose we do? $121.70 is a negotiated contract rate, which is about $3 less than I was making nine months ago. Another point is that it is for 100 seat flying. The DC-9 covers 100-125 seats right now. Also, the only other legacy to have the 190/5 on property is US Air and they pay their 12 year captains $95 per hour. I'm not saying this to suggest that they are happy with the pay rates, but I can tell you, I bet they are happy to have the jobs and the possibility to negotiate higher rates if and when they get their act together. As someone pointed out earlier, JetBlue just negotiated very high rates for the 195. If we get it, we will too. What I don't understand is why the $121 is so offensive to you when that is what DC-9 drivers got paid last year this time. Would you rather us refuse to fly the airplane and put people on the street just to prove a point? I'd talk to the people on the street to see how they feel about it. But, I think they are telling you on this forum right now.
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reddog, so do you propose that the E-195s (if they were to be ordered) have Delta Connection painted on the side of them if they aren't paid at DC-9 rates?
The combined pre 9/11 list would have somewhere around 17000 pilots on it. The 2009 list has around 12,400 pilots on it. We arguably are more efficient. But not to the tune of 35%. The loss of 5000 pilots is a result of our arrogance and inability to secure the flying under 100 seats. Get the planes back on the property. Period.
Friend...who's talking about outsorcing 100 seat jet flying? I'm saying if you want to replace the DC-9 with E-195 then pay DC-9 rates. Hell I won't be flying that E-195, but you will. Do you realy want to fly that for a 20% discount? If you do, ya need a drug test...........
Red,
I agree a higher payrate would be nice but the rate is what it is. We need to start thinking strategically vice tactically. Jet Blue got the 190 onboard with atrocious payrates - their rates were so low it was pathetic, but they quickly got the rate up to a respectable $143. What is even more important a 6 year JB 190 Captain makes $132 and they have been upgrading quicker than that -even though it will most likely slowdown. So a 6th year Jet Blue guy makes more than 90% of our 12 year FO's.
Yes in a perfect world we would match the DC-9 rates, but lets get the planes at mainline and then we can get the rates where they should be. I do; however, admire your passion - ever think about running for office? As a DAL South guy I eagerly look forward to an infusion of "Northern Blood" into our seemingly lethargic Union.
The fact that we are even arguing about this is disturbing. I'm sick and tired of senior pilots thinking it's alright to just let the narrow body flying go away. If you didn't want to fly it for such wages, then why did we put it in the contract? We've made our bed. Our contract's up in four years. We can fix the low rate then. In the meantime, new planes need to be on the Delta list.
Different rumor: I heard they were looking at buying the Shuttle America 175's and putting them at Compass. If this happens, Delta would be able to furlough mainline pilots without furloughing Compass pilots. I hope this rumor is not true, but I've heard it floating around out there.
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