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Originally Posted by reddog25
Not Myopic. If an E-195 can replace a DC-9, then pay it at DC-9 rates. Don't really give a Rats A** about someone not yet hired at DAL. Concerned that a DC-9 is parked and that pilot is paid 18-22% less to fly the same range, speed, payload airplane
Reddog, the DC9 is getting parked. What is your better alternative? More outsourcing?
Why do you care? Obviously you are senior enough to hold A320 Captain. You'll be middle of the widebody flying before long. I'm guessing you are worried that YOUR negotiating capital will be used to negotiate 100 to 130 seat jet rates. (it wont, you have nothing to worry about)
We junior pilots who are tired of outsourcing and the excuse that our flying does not pay enough for us to perform, we want the thing on the property. We'll fly it, you don't have to bid it.
We should care about those hired behind us. Our profession is going down the crapper as we outsource more and more of it. Also, as we outsource we have less power at the bargaining table. Get us more flying and we can get you more power at the table to negotiate better rates for you.
Different rumor: I heard they were looking at buying the Shuttle America 175's and putting them at Compass. If this happens, Delta would be able to furlough mainline pilots without furloughing Compass pilots. I hope this rumor is not true, but I've heard it floating around out there.
At 8 crews per acft and 13 SA 175's furlough more than 100 pilots and you start bouncing CPZ Captains.
Iheard rumor that MEC knows DAL paid for SA mod but won't admit they got burned for working together with (RA is on board with us)mgmt.Explains reluctance to pursue in face of fairly convincing andecdotal facts.
Bigger question is with 47% ownership and paid for mod what is DAL up to with RAH?
Different rumor: I heard they were looking at buying the Shuttle America 175's and putting them at Compass. If this happens, Delta would be able to furlough mainline pilots without furloughing Compass pilots. I hope this rumor is not true, but I've heard it floating around out there.
Can you explain this thought process? First, I dont see BB selling his E175s. Second, Compass is maxed on airplanes. I don't even thInk this rumor is possible with our current PWA & LOAs.
Amen brothers. I agree we shouldn't sell ourselves short, but I also agree that strength comes through aircraft on the property. How strong will we be if we allow the flying to continue to be outsourced. We could have been 17000 strong. We are now 12,400 strong. We could be 8000 strong if we don't recapture the outsourced flying. Get the planes on the property. It did us no good 8 years ago to be flying 777s for $335/hour. We only got seven of them. A very small percentage of the guys lived the good life, but that's it. The vast majority were stuck in planes smaller than that, that paid less. More airplanes on property=more opportunities through upgrades, etc.
I'm facing another 15% paycut this fall if I get displaced off the 757. That's on top of the 50% paycuts from the last few years. Couple that with the COL increases of the past 8 years and my purchasing power is 80% less than it was in 2001. I'm sick of the erosion and the feeling that as long as I'm okay than the other guys can fend for themselves. I think Chamberlain felt he was doing the right thing with the Germans 70 years ago by appeasement and looking the other way. We can no longer afford that thinking.
You're right satchip. Even Scope is negotiable, and I am not an unreasonable man. Here are my terms:
1. One time payout of $25 million per pilot on the seniority list
2. Positive space passes for pilots and their families
3. Family medical benefits at no cost to the pilot
With this I'll negotiate away Scope.
Carl
Very good start !
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I appreciate the confidence - but in school, I was the guy that couldn't get lucky in a female prison with a fist full of pardons.
Carl
That could change....
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
The combined pre 9/11 list would have somewhere around 17000 pilots on it. The 2009 list has around 12,400 pilots on it. We arguably are more efficient. But not to the tune of 35%. The loss of 5000 pilots is a result of our arrogance and inability to secure the flying under 100 seats. Get the planes back on the property. Period.
I think you would fit on our board...
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
Amen brothers. I agree we shouldn't sell ourselves short, but I also agree that strength comes through aircraft on the property. How strong will we be if we allow the flying to continue to be outsourced. We could have been 17000 strong. We are now 12,400 strong. We could be 8000 strong if we don't recapture the outsourced flying. Get the planes on the property. It did us no good 8 years ago to be flying 777s for $335/hour. We only got seven of them. A very small percentage of the guys lived the good life, but that's it. The vast majority were stuck in planes smaller than that, that paid less. More airplanes on property=more opportunities through upgrades, etc.
I'm facing another 15% paycut this fall if I get displaced off the 757. That's on top of the 50% paycuts from the last few years. Couple that with the COL increases of the past 8 years and my purchasing power is 80% less than it was in 2001. I'm sick of the erosion and the feeling that as long as I'm okay than the other guys can fend for themselves. I think Chamberlain felt he was doing the right thing with the Germans 70 years ago by appeasement and looking the other way. We can no longer afford that thinking.
I now know that you are fit, let's get the first meeting together....
I heard there are Greenbook guys on the 200 who were going to take the PRIP but when they realized they could bump a Red Book guy off the 400 decided to stay
It's over, move on. How 'bout you leave the Greenbook/Redbook crap at the door and we move forward together as Delta...
Why are you guys arguing about making sure that the 195's come on line and don't end up at your feeders? I thought your scope protected against that size of airplanes being outsourced.
Don't you also have scope that protects against a shrinking delta?
Why anyone would want to replace the 9 with the 195 (insert paycut) just so that they get on property is ridiculous.
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