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Old 07-10-2009, 03:10 PM   #9931 (permalink)
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Fair enough, but that base was not available to me prior to the merger so it is new to me. I have not had the opportunity to bid it before. I agree with what you say to say the DAL-S guys wanting a move paid for so they can fly in an existing DAL base. Those Northwest bases are new to us, and as of today we have not had access to them. They would be new bases to us, would they not? If they are not, a MOA would cover these being existing bases as by definition they are new bases to 1/2 of the group.
I guess I can see the union making it this way to discourage people from moving south. Fact is I am not going to move to any exiting base.

I understand your take on this I just disagree with it. It appears that is the way the union and the company see it too.
There is no intention to prevent anyone from moving, just the intention not to pay for voluntary moves. If they open a base in Walla Walla, then that is a new base, it didn't exist as a base and now it does, so it is new.

MSP already exists as a base. There are hundreds of Delta pilots already based there. Just because it is a new opportunity for you to choose to bid into at SOC, that doesn't make it new. The key test is whether or not the bid was for company convenience or your convenience. If you bid for MSP 320 B, that is your choice. If you are displaced from your position to MSP 320 B then that is not your choice. That is the difference.

If you want to try it out and file a grievance then have at it. Don't be shocked when you lose that one. The language is pretty clear.
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:10 PM   #9932 (permalink)
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The fNWA contract provided for paid moves whenever you changed categories. There were some qualifiers, but it did not matter whether it was voluntary or involuntary. You could even qualify if you simply changed categories in-base.

Granted, that contract no longer applies. However, there is some precedent set there for negotiating paid moves. It all comes down to its placement on the ALPA agenda.
C2K did that for the South as well, but that clause was a victim to the agreement that prevented us from going bankrupt (...). Are you saying that this paid move for AE's (or APA's) clause survived bankruptcy on the North side when you say "that contract no longer applies", or are you saying it died in bankruptcy?

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Old 07-10-2009, 03:15 PM   #9933 (permalink)
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There is no intention to prevent anyone from moving, just the intention not to pay for voluntary moves. If they open a base in Walla Walla, then that is a new base, it didn't exist as a base and now it does, so it is new.

MSP already exists as a base. There are hundreds of Delta pilots already based there. Just because it is a new opportunity for you to choose to bid into at SOC, that doesn't make it new. The key test is whether or not the bid was for company convenience or your convenience. If you bid for MSP 320 B, that is your choice. If you are displaced from your position to MSP 320 B then that is not your choice. That is the difference.

If you want to try it out and file a grievance then have at it. Don't be shocked when you lose that one. The language is pretty clear.
I think you need to reread some of my posts. It is not something that I would grieve at all.
I just see all of those new bases for us as something I had no bidding rights at before. After SOC I will. By simple definition that is new.
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For everyone waiting for the (truly) big news: we have breaking news.

Northwest flight attendants want Delta to offer bigger sizes of signature red dress uniform...

Some NWA flight attendants want to wear red dress - Yahoo! Finance

I'm looking for a Sir Mix-a-Lot "Baby's Got Back".wav right now...
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:22 PM   #9935 (permalink)
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For everyone waiting for the (truly) big news: we have breaking news.

Northwest flight attendants want Delta to offer bigger sizes of signature red dress uniform...

Some NWA flight attendants want to wear red dress - Yahoo! Finance

Noooooooo!
The deal was: It comes in small and medium but not international. The red dress on a size 28 FA would be a scary sight.
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:34 PM   #9936 (permalink)
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C2K did that for the South as well, but that clause was a victim to the agreement that prevented us from going bankrupt (...). Are you saying that this paid move for AE's (or APA's) clause survived bankruptcy on the North side when you say "that contract no longer applies", or are you saying it died in bankruptcy?

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It did survive bankruptcy. It died with the merger.

My only point was that the JPWA now governs, but there is some historical basis in the old NWA contract which could be leveraged in favor of those pilots who might want to move after SOC.
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Noooooooo!
The deal was: It comes in small and medium but not international. The red dress on a size 28 FA would be a scary sight.
I've heard some of the "larger" FAs who can't find the red dress and couldn't get the largest ones available off the shelf to survive the stress test, have had some custom made at their local tent shop.
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It did survive bankruptcy. It died with the merger.

My only point was that the JPWA now governs, but there is some historical basis in the old NWA contract which could be leveraged in favor of those pilots who might want to move after SOC.
I hate to bring it up again, but here goes.

The company can't have it both ways, make it difficult to move to a base and make it difficult to commute.

Either momma Delta needs to agree with ACL's interpretation on new bases or it needs to agree with the old NWA Call in Honest Policy.

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That dress is limited in size for a reason. I still think it should be limited at a size 8.
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Bet you would never guess that the Asian FAs look great in the red dress. The Japaneese girls seem to have latched onto it when they pull interpretor duty. Some wear the other when doing FA duty too but I think they all went and got the red one........looken good!

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